“The vision”

I’ve seen enough French spelling to get it, though, and I don’t really speak French. English spelling is still often hard as a native speaker.

You guys can have second place, our system is the most ass “bar none”.

Not really. They just have multiple pronunciation depending on which vocabulary they are part of/how they are used grammatically.

But let me tell you, learning 2000 kanji and vocab they are used in is a pain. Still love 日本語 thought.

the more you drink the more you understand vowel shift and consonant ellision

Yeah, pretty much every single language. I think it’s funny when someone (usually americans) says their language has words from a bunch of languages because it shows they never really learned a second language. Word ‘clima’ in Portuguese or ‘Klima’ in German is from Greek for example, many languages have english words too, portuguese takes ‘playground’ and ‘check in’ to cite two but it has many more.

Only the Germans often butcher them, that they speak it as if they were real German words…

English butchers words too.

and english is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from the worst, thai is afaik basically the same as it was hundreds of years ago, to the point that people can read old texts quite easily.

Hiatus avoidance in Classical Latin poetry is the closest thing to a rule I can think of

Indeed, you’re correct. Although the French do have the DGLFLF.

Many languages have very specific pronunciation rules. If you can read a word, you can almost always pronounce it correctly, especially when accents are uses. You can often determine the pronunciation from the etymology by the language of origin. It’s why spelling bee contestants always ask for country of origin.

Do languages with sylabic alphabets have this problem?

Sure, sometimes it is. But frequently it isn’t. But let’s conjugate two very similar words and then pronounce them. How about “go” and “do”?

I do
You go He does He goes She did She went

How about the words “rove,” “move,” and “shove”? They are all conjugated basically the same, spelled almost the same, but each is pronounced differently.

Knowing how one word is conjugated and pronounced does not necessarily inform on any other. The phrase “sometimes it’s consistent” is self-contradictory.

Yeah. There are a lot of words that people have stopped using and don’t remember how to pronounce. Sometimes we have clues from old writings and especially poetry, but archaic words and pronunciations are studied and recorded for posterity.

Consider the word “ye” as in “Ye Olde Shoppe.” We still see the word on signs where people want things to feel old, because it is a word we think we don’t use anymore. People reading it probably pronounce it “yee” or maybe “yeh.” Except the original word was spelled with an archaic letter called “thorn” that looks like a Y and isn’t used in English anymore. It made a “th” sound, and the sign should be pronounced “The Old Shop.” Thorn was replaced with Y when printing became popular, and people forgot it existed. We also have “yee” which is still used in some dialects (like Irish), but it considered archaic in American English. So when people saw the Ye Olde Shoppe signs, they forgot they knew how to pronounce the word already and assumed it was a different archaic word they remember they had forgotten, forgetting that they remembered the word in the first place.

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in many languages theres clear rules how to pronounce vowels, consonants and combination of such. in english there’s no rules at all. sure there will be always exceptions and oddballs to the rules in other languages but usually you see a word and just by looking at it you know how to pronounce it, but thats not the case in english. not hating on english, its super simple and straight forward in a lot of aspects but the pronunciation clusterfuck is at a stark contrast to being otherwise one of the easiest languages to learn.

It’s jarring if you don’t come from a language with fucked spelling however…

in the united states, everything is a sport.

you don’t get them in the UK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti for people unaware

because it was literally pronounced like that not too long ago, compare “knight” to “knekt” in swedish.

I’ll be honest I’ve always found it weird that they decided to stop pronouncing those consonants at some point. Those words just sound better with the K pronounced!

It’s gnomic.

These I totally hate. As a non native speaker, I have no intuition or at least IPA would be much easier for me. It’s called international for a reason. Good to know that native speakers have problems too, or maybe not good, you decide.

are you having trouble figuring out how to pronounce words because spelling rules aren’t consistent and don’t make sense? here’s how to pronounce them in a different spelling that follows the same rules.

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Not necessary. You can “have your cake” and eat it with spoons of both Aluminum and Aluminium, too. It just has to reflect spoken sounds in some kind of reasonably-direct way.

Hmm. Do Brazilians still spell stuff the Portuguese way? Most of the European languages probably have some kind of prescribed national dialect, Arabic has classical Arabic, and Chinese has non-alphabetic characters, but I don’t know about that one.

Brb, booting up Civ V, the best Civ

Reminds me of WorstPremadeEver in Pulsar: Lost Colony

FIRE THE BREXIT BEAM

Same in English. You can intuit which words follow Latin rules, which words follow Greek rules, and which words follow Germanic rules. Once you have a feel for it, spelling starts to feel natural for some fucking reason

Now I personally don’t know those but I’m sure there are still some weird words that are spelled in an unexpected way, especially if we include words that originated from other languages.

I’ll be back to check it out.