You folks are blowing this way out of proportion.
I boycotted them months back. I came to lemmy to get away from reddit mods.
Something about .ml and MLs in general is that they really just aren’t that large a group. If we want larger communities, Reddit is still much bigger than Lemmy. If we want a flawed ally in politics, progressive liberals outnumber Leninists and are far less likely to deliberately betray us. (That’s why MLs always equate Liberalism with fascism; if people can ally with Liberals MLs have basically nothing they can bring to a coalition, and so they can’t seize power.)
your “boycott” was already happening naturally because (ayk) lemmy.ml’s mods are insufferable
We need to call on more servers to defederate with lemmy.ml if we want more people to join the platform, I dont want my friends’ first experience of the platform to be a tankie post.
I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao
Edit: thank you for the link, Lazycog@sopuli.xyz!
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275
I stand by every single comment that’s been removed from this platform. Some of them were removed for good reason, one of them was a brain fart that I shouldn’t have posted in the first place, but I’m happy to have y’all investigate my moderation history
ETA: If you read this, and then replied to a comment that’s already been removed from a community I’m banned from, you’re an idiot. I literally can’t interact with you. Why not reply to this comment?
China pretending to be egalitarian is like Maga pretending to be pro-freedom.
I’ve been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn’t worth simping for.
What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.
The thing I hate about tankies is the same thing I hate about fascists, every other living thing on earth shares a common ancestor with them. I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree, return them to the dirt they truly are so that they may be of some use to all living creatures.
I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao
Typical conservative sjw user /s
You know people can see your moderation history right?
I genuinely didn’t. How do you check that? I want to see their excuse for banning me
Not sure if this link will work on any lemmy clients, but open it in the browser (modlog on lemmy.ml and filtered by your user ID):
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275
Edit: I linked ml because I don’t know if modlogs federate over. E.g if lemmy.ml admin mod actions are visible on sh.itjust.works modlog page.
I’m honored to have learned about being banned from ML on this blessed day.
Thank you, I had no idea how to find this, it’s super fascinating
Some of these removals are perfectly warranted, like that L + ratio comment. It was a fun comment, but not productive. I didn’t even know I was banned from 196 for… Defending genocide? Because I didn’t want Trump elected? I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
All the recent .ml stuff is because of “rule 1,” and y’all can plainly see that none of the comments removed were bigoted, and only one was uncivil.
No problem! I just got interested how the modlog actually looks like after seeing this comment chain and decided to finally check it out.
No idea whether that link is only showing the lemmy.ml admins actions on you or do the mod actions federate and show all the actions mods on any instance have taken on you though
I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
The guys who’ve spent the last year telling the democrats “You need to stop the genocide and promote popular left policy if you want to win” are not responsible for the dems loss. The dems are responsible for their own loss for ignoring the obvious advice of “stop doing the thing that made you lose in 2022 and 2016 and 2010 and 2004 and instead do the thing that made you win in 2008 and 2020”
It’s particularly gross to suggest a predominantly trans instance wanted a trump presidency.
Trans people voted for Harris, overwhelmingly. The problems were with white guys with a weird stick up their ass trying to convince everyone else not to vote to protect us. Good work I guess, you got what you wanted.
I agree that it’s the Democrats’ fault that they lost, but I stand by the assertion that people who would rather not vote at all than vote for the lesser of two evils are partially to blame when the greater of two evils wins.
I didn’t say they wanted a Trump presidency, I said they didn’t want a Harris presidency. I only congratulated them on their efforts to prevent that.
The people saying “Genocide, punishing immigrants, tough-on-crime rhetoric, and complicated, means-tested bullshit decreases your bases turnout” are not at fault for those unpopular policies decreasing turnout. Everyone who failed to publicly criticize the dems so they could maintain the delusion they could win while promising to do the opposite of what the people whose votes they depend on want are far more culpable.
One time, drag’s friend accidentally left his fly open in public. Drag wanted to save him the embarassment of having it open, and drag knew exactly what to do to help him.
So drag got up in front of everyone in the bar, shouted that the friend’s fly was open, and shared some dank memes making fun of him.
Drag’s friend claims that nobody from that night respects him anymore and drag is a terrible friend, but that’s nonsense. He’s the one who left his fly open, drag was just helping him avoid embarrassment.
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If Drag’s buddy spent 4 years telling drag “Zip up your fly, or you’re going to be thrown out”, and instead drag waves his Dick at everyone at the bar, it’s not Drag’s buddy’s fault. Nor is it the fault of everyone else at the bar for being repelled.
If Drag thinks everyone would have been OK with Drag waving his dick around non-consenting people, and that Drag’s buddy simply convinced everyone this was repellent behavior, that’s even more reason to listen to Drag’s buddy.
It works on Thunder!
It might be an instance thing, I don’t know if all instances make modlogs this transparent.
I only follow some .ml communities for the only thing that instance is good for: Memes making fun of neoliberals
Too bad anyone who doesn’t adhere to their specific definition of imperialism is a neoliberal in their view.
Don’t want to support a right winged authoritarian government that is actively engaging in imperialism…? What a lib.
I go there to encounter communists and discuss communism with them. I don’t mind talking to people I disagree with, and until they kick me out I’ll keep going there to talk to them.
Here’s a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:
in .ml alternative asklemmy !asklemmy@lemm.ee, !asklemmy@sh.itjust.works linux !linuxquestions@lemmy.zip, !linux@linux.community, !linux@programming.dev memes !memes@sopuli.xyz, !memes@slrpnk.net programmerhumor !programmer_humor@programming.dev world news !news@beehaw.org technology !technology@sh.itjust.works funny !funny@sh.itjust.works ukraine !ukraine@sopuli.xyz Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
EDIT: as people noticed I’m not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I’m adding stuff that you guys suggest.
memes:
- !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone is the single best meme community on lemmy, imho
- !memes@midwest.social,
and for more specialized memes:
- !science_memes@mander.xyz,
- !reactionmemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com,
- !mathmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone,
- !loweffortmemes@walledgarden.xyz,
- !lotrmemes@midwest.social,
- !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com,
- !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com,
- !femcelmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone,
- !fedimemes@feddit.uk
world news: I realize you’re avoiding lemmy.world to promote decentralization which is why you’re listing !news@beehaw.org, but note that beehaw defederated itself from lemmy.world and from several others?
Is femcel memes ironic?
Their sidebar has a longish explanation of where they’re coming from.
I’ll check it out, thanks.
I had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen’s Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry)… like wat 😂
Ah, typical lemmy.ml . They have a hard time understanding that you can support a certain ideology without necessarily turning a blind eye to everything that people claim to be doing for the sake of said ideology, or that any criticism against their actions is automatically false.
I remember you, by the way. You were already an old Lemmy user when I joined in, 3y ago!
My OG account is 6 years old 👴
Hello! That’s a very lovely formatted table with links, however, clicking on them does nothing for me whilst clicking on links otherwise in the replies does take me to the respective communities. I don’t know if it’s just me though.
That’s weird - are you accessing lemmy through a browser, or some app?
Check if it works here: !funny@sh.itjust.works
If it does then it’s the table interacting weirdly with the links, I can fix it by removing the table.
the main issue with .ml is
transparencyauthoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the adminsThe .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.
It’s a great advertisement for communism that’s for sure. They haven’t even gotten real power and it already resembles the worst of what communism offers. They’re a bunch of wannabe Ceausescu’s.
We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance’s target audience is wider than it actually is.
Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated
I was rejected when I first tried to sign up (when I was entirely new to lemmy) and they’re turning at least one user away now
Ah, they do it now? When I signed up there (~3y ago) there was no such thing.
Anyway, it’s still a problem because most users interacting with .ml content are from other instances.
3 years ago were there any other instances with traction? Agreed on your second point.
Why were you rejected?
Who knows? Lemmy gave very little feedback messages then. I found a good instance to stick with.
Edit: it would have been around when I made this account (i.e. couple days before blackout protest and maybe they wanted to encourage signups at the several others that had recently popped up.
Mmhmm, mmhmm - secret laws, secret trials - definitely not authoritarian behavior at all.
An odd choice on their part is dessalines upvoting every comment that corresponds to a removal or ban. Feels almost as though they’ve Jerry-rigged their moderation code to an extreme degree in order to keep up with the day job levels of moderation they’re doing.
If they were banning people for shit posting on a communism community I wouldn’t have a problem. Its when you get removed banned from all communities because you said you don’t like there crappy memes
Or even if they had an instance-wide rule saying “don’t criticise Russia or China here”. It’s fine as long as the rules are clear.
But no, instead they libel the users criticising either, claiming that they violated rule #1 (TL;DR “no bigots”). Even when the criticism is clearly against the government.
And then you get a bunch of 11yos eating that ban message for breakfast, because they’re
full of gullibleness and don’t get the purpose of this utterancedumb fucks.Tbf, that admin telling someone to kill themselves wasn’t exactly a high mark for their ethics imho.
Holy shit, source? Which admin said that? I have one in mind and I wanna know if I’m right
It isn’t a high mark, I agree. But while the “kill you are self lol.” thing could be just an admin in a really shitty day, this lack of transparency is consistent behaviour.
I get what you are saying: shittiness that happens daily is a more consistent pattern than something that happens ONCE.
On the other hand, an admin telling someone to literally kill themselves is such an extreme event that it might be grounds for their removal as an admin?
It’s an age-old philosophy problem: which is worse, stealing daily vs. actually killing someone once?
Or is that a trick question, since both are kinda shitty, no?
In any case, what happens when someone does BOTH of them?
The answer is ofc literally nothing, when said person is protected by the instance admins who are also the developers of this codebase. I wonder what would have happened though if Huffman was caught saying something similar to the users of Reddit? Yeah, nothing, that’s right - it’s not like we would leave Reddit or anything:-P. (Except I did, and now I’ve left Lemmy too, hello from PieFed!:-D)
Afaik the admins are the creators of lemmy right? Or are they just the creators of a particular instance? If its the first i would imagine they are the only ones that can de-admin themselves, and if its the latter i would imagine no one can de-admin them
Yup, they are both shitty, and grounds to remove an admin.
However when it’s a single event there’s still the chance that it won’t happen again, as the admin could regret it. There’s still grounds for “this won’t affect me, as a user, in the future”.
And when it’s both, as you said, it gets even worse.
That rule becomes clear very quickly when you’re familiar with Lemmy. (Unless you’re defederated from .ml.)
It is not enough; it should be explicit. Users should be able to know the rules of an instance before they even interact with it.
Added to the list - thanks!
I humbly submit:
Added to the list.
Merci
!asklemmy@lemmy.world has over 70 times as many subscribers as the other two asklemmy communities combined.
I’m avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn’t put even more eggs in that basket, you know.
But maybe we shouldn’t throw out the few eggs Lemmy does have.
Nobody is throwing eggs out. I’m recommending one basket instead of another, that’s it.
Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
Get a game developer to start posting their stuff on your new instance. Get celebrities to start posting their AMAs somewhere. Get big newspapers to start their own instance.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have. Federation is a feature, not a purpose, and it’s already doing its job by making .ml less relevant for a good reason.
Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
Yeah, because people don’t totally cross-post stuff all the time, or subscribe to multiple comms around the same topic.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
If you’re that pissed that I’m not listing .world comms, to the point of trying to boss me around (see emphasis on imperative), you can list yourself those comms. With blackjack and hookers.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.
Okay, full stop here. Cut off the crap - in no moment I’m trying to “kill” those communities in .world, and you’re being a disingenuous liar (or worse, a bloody moron) for claiming otherwise.
Not going to waste my time further with you.
It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
I see a lot more of that on .world communities, specifically the news and political memes communities will remove comments for “misinformation” even if you’re citing academic works.
Citing some random paper doesn’t make what your saying not disinformation.
From a formal logic perspective, your statement is true. But in real life, the more important distinction is not between “true” and “false”, but between “purposefully deceptive and ungenuine disinformation” versus “outspoken dissenting viewpoint”. And that is one that people are really bad at telling the difference between, especially if the viewpoint in particular is one that they hold very strongly.
Classically lemmy.world.
“Your peer reviewed academic studies are misinformation, do you not read the news ?”
peer reviewed
Mazières, D., & Kohler, E. (2005). Get me off your fucking mailing list [PDF]. Accepted for publication in the International Journal of Advanced Computer Technology in 2014.
will remove comments for “misinformation”
As they should
even if you’re citing academic works.
I’ve seen the “academic works” y’all cite, blog posts, YT videos, random books and retracted studies
If the .world admins are doing it too, it’s also bad. Thankfully I didn’t list a single .world community, although for another reason.
Join me
Can’t? I already personally blocked them months ago.
As long as it’s not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won’t lead to good outcomes anywhere.
Yeah, we’d hate to make a good alternative when everyone can just use Bluesky and Meta.
The hate for .world simply because of size doesn’t make sense to me. It’s fine to make new (unique) communities elsewhere, but shunning the biggest successful communities on .world to try to grow empty communities on other instances is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If you’re constantly shunning the biggest instance simply for being big, you’ll end up killing Lemmy.
There’s more than just being big, those things may not matter to you, or even the majority, but I’ve heard enough gripes repeated to know some people are bothered.
The flip flopping on policies without clear transparency bothered some people but tbh I forgave that as growing pains of being in charge of a new popular platform.
The one mentioned more often is how they’re one of the main ones to federate with Meta’s Threads. Integration isn’t really there right now anyway but every other major Lemmy instance has preemptively blocked them already:
sourceI can respect the Threads thing. That’s a valid reason other than “we need to be even smaller”.
It’s not that we need to be smaller, but we benefit if we all grow similarly, or at least the community distribution does.
Absolutely! Grow a community on any instance that doesn’t allow the kind of users that lemmy.ml does I say.
I think we gave them too much power by making their communities as big as we did
I’m glad there is enough critical mass to move past those fucking hatemongers. “Pure free speech and anarchy!” If you say exactly what we want you to, also don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
I was in an argument with some .ml tankie yesterday, and they had the gall to say that “free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated everywhere,” in response to a comment saying that the CCP censors speech. They didn’t like my assertion that that statement also applies to Nineteen Eighty-Four’s Ingsoc party. It’s technically true, that free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated in Oceania. It’s just that the government considers any dissent threatening.
My last straw was when I made a meme on their meme instance that had no Asians, anyone related to Asia, or racism in it. And they removed the post with 500+ up votes and a healthy discussion, because my title was “Rice.”
They literally told me rice, the word by itself, is racist. I just chose a random word for the title to fill the blank.
They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
Of course, because there is no true anarchist.
But they don’t even pretend to be anarchists, they’re Marxist-Leninists, hence the ml
If “they dont even pretend to be anarchists”, then why would the comment
They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
be necessary in the first place?
If you look at the comment above that one, you might be able to figure it out
What do the call a fallacy where you find an imaginary fallacy in someone else’s argument to sound smarter?
Is it a fallacy? I frequently run into self-styled anarchists who describe other self-styled anarchists as “not real anarchists”.
.ml people don’t even describe themselves as anarchists, from what I’ve seen. And those that do, often hide behind that label in bad faith
“Free speech!”
Ok tankie.
“Not like that!”
Or more subtly:
I can’t even say life’s a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that’s not my intent and I don’t think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?
It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn’t pay any regard to a comment’s set language so even If I set my comment to French “retard” will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.
Je suis en retard
Becomes
Je suis en removedEdit: actually, let’s see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:
Edit2: lmao
I’ve tried to talk about fire retardants there once… It gets cut too.
Je suis en retard
Sure you can block them. It’s really easy
How I interact with lemmy.ml:
- If I see a post I want to comment on, I comment on it. I don’t give a fuck what instance it’s on.
- If I want to post, I select the relevant community with the most subscribers. I don’t give a fuck what instance it’s on.
- If I can’t comment or post there, because I was banned for criticizing a dictatorship, I select the next biggest community.
(This happens about 50% of the time, cause I’m now banned on most .ml communities, simply for posting common sense opinions.)
my instance has been defederated from .ml for ages and i can personally confirm fedi is still fun here :) take that as you will
Yeah it’s an amazing experience without them.
Same.
honestly, I eventually got fed up enough and instance blocked .ml on my account a couple weeks ago, and Ive barely noticed a difference. It was the bulk of lemmy right after it started to get some migration from Reddit, but it isnt nearly as essential these days already
I noticed a change for the better.
How do you block .ml on your account?
Assuming that these settings are a universal part of lemmy and not instance specific, I click my name in the top right corner, select settings from the dropdown, and then there is a page with 2 tabs, one saying settings and a second that I can switch to called “blocks”. In the blocks tab, I can view and add to lists of blocked users, communities, and instances. Just go to the instances drop down, and search “lemmy.ml” and click the option that appears to add it to the block list.
Tbf that doesn’t actually do much at all in terms of blocking an instance, hence is horribly misnamed imho. All it does is mute communities located on that instance. The users from that instance can still harass you in posts in other communities, triggering notifications, vote on your content, etc.
The Sync and Connect can do true user-level blocking of any instance you choose without needing admin support, and the Lemmy alternative PieFed, or e.g. Lemmy.cafe or dubvee org have blocked all of the big 3 tankie instances.
Nice. TYVM.
We need to grow the !linuxphones@lemmy.ca alternative more!
TIL. Thanks.
That was one of the few
.mlcommunities I actually missed when I defederated from them last year and couldn’t find a replacement for. Subscribed!
