To be clear, it’s being taken wildly out of context if a conservative is using it to argue King was actually a conservative. If a leftist is using it to point out that liberals pretend to agree with your goal, but oppose any way to actually achieve it, that’s the same thing King was observing.

A lot of people are sticking with rednote or using both.

Anyone who is angry they can’t whip out queerphobia when they’re annoyed at someone who uses neopronouns doesn’t understand why it’s not OK to say racist shit about Clarance Thomas, misogynistic shit about JK Rowling, or transphobic shit about Keffals.

Just a huge red flag that respecting other people’s humanity is contingent on benefiting them.

One of the disappointments of rednote was learning how many Chinese people bought his “genius engineer progressing humanity” PR horseshit. But they seemed much more understanding when they learned how he treats his kids.

That is true, there’s a lot of stuff that is obviously against the rules, but a lot of the users on my FYP are longtime chinese users with older posts of similar content.

don’t even know Americans are moving to it.

I assure you, it’s impossible to miss a million americans, and a bunch of countries that didn’t even ban tiktok showing up overnight.

Yes, a lot of the news articles were just straight up lying about what rednote allowed, claiming LGBT+ and horny content was not allowed.

Meanwhile my FYP be like

No I’m not, you’ve been misunderstanding me from the start.

Tiktok does not amplify views that make the US look bad, it demotes them. That demonstrates that china is not using tiktok to influence Americans because they would want the opposite.

Instead they do exactly what any media subservient to the state department does.

Amplifying shows of division in a country promotes the view that said country is flawed and weak, in this case along racial lines. China has plenty to gain by showing that.

Exactly! So demoting those videos suggests that China is not using the algorithm to promote anti-american views.

That seems entirely speculative. There are plenty of other reasons to hire them. Can you provide evidence for your claim?

No, CIA agents don’t go around saying they’re working for media companies to disseminate propaganda, and media companies don’t broadcast that they take extra care to make sure their coverage lines up with the state department’s narratives.

This article is horseshit. They wrote it from an unsubstantiated rumor on Reddit.

Meanwhile, China’s People’s Dispatch has praised the exchange, and Rednote has added a translation feature.

If it’s being done in a manner that promotes Chinese narratives while demoting American narratives

Spicy in this case means protests, police misbehavior, stuff the US wouldn’t want amplified. The big waves of censorship came in 2020 and 2022. You can search news articles from the time with lots of people wondering why they’re no longer getting that content in their FYPs and content creators getting <1/10th of the views. FB and reddit do the same thing.

I don’t really see why not demoting BLM videos is not in the CCP’s interest; videos that make America seem racist seems entirely in the interest of an Anti-American country.

Amplifying the videos that show America’s response to antiracist movements would make America look like the racist country it is. Demoting them conceals that.

I also don’t see why hiring former American intelligence operatives demonstrates a pro-American stance, as their motivations for doing so could be to learn about American intelligence-gathering methods while promoting Chinese interests.

CIA agents living in America who disseminate intelligence-gathering methods while promoting Chinese interests get charged with treason.

They were hired to help identify and amplify US state department narratives, same reason CNN and Fox hires them.

It is, but the relevance to the discussion is that China getting american’s data isn’t the reason for the ban. Nor is China influencing Americans because they tend to derank politically spicy videos. If China was controlling the algo to make the US look bad, videos tagged BLM wouldn’t have been deranked.

Tiktok also wouldn’t have hired a bunch of state department spooks if they weren’t intending to keep amplifying US narratives.

It’s because it pissed off the wrong people. The initial push to ban tiktok was by Trump and republicans after TTers organized a mass RSVP of one of Trump’s events and he spent a lot of money on extra staff and ended up performing in an empty stadium.

That failed and Trump was mocked. 4 years later, it was used to counter zionist propaganda, and that got the democrats on board. Here’s Blinken admitting as much.

Additionally, Insta is TT’s biggest competitor, and FB, which owns Insta, lobbys to the tune of 20M/year.

Except FB and Twitter sell their data to the highest bidder. If China wanted American’s data, they can just buy it.

Or or or, hear me out: Trump knows that 170 million Americans use tiktok and banning it is unpopular. It also helps that his billionaire buddy owns 15% of bytedance and tiktok’s CEO has been sucking up to Trump.

You don’t need conspiracies to explain a politician doing something that helps their public perception.

lmao if I didn’t need enough reason to stick with rednote.

Those aren’t mutually exclusive; “American indoctrination.” is the reason so many lemmitors disagree with such extreme views as “sending weapons that prolong war is bad for the people who will suffer the effects of those weapons, mostly civilians”, “supporting al-nusra is bad”, “we shouldn’t put tariffs on EVs and solar panels”, or “the chinese government having your data is less of a threat to you than the american government having your data”

Nearly everyone on rednote knows how to use a VPN.

100% just indoctrinated people, lemmy is too small to catch anyone’s attention.

You are blaming someone who had absolutely no power to affect the outcome of the election, while absolving the dems, who knowingly decided to do all those policies, knowing they would decrease turnout.