Watch The Boys for exactly that. You won’t get that from Disney.
Also the Invincible animated series does it too.
I totally agree with both your comments, but to be fair, they said “movies”.
Maybe season 1 of the boys. It devolves into disgust porn in the later seasons.
I made it to the first episode of season 3. It was just trying way too hard at that point to not be a show anymore but pure shock value
The wild thing is that the shock value was toned down from the comics
Watch The Boys.
And Invincible
Came here to say both of these lol.
I mean just the first episode of Invincible shows him absolutely destroying an old woman because he doesn’t have a handle on his powers yet. And then later he finds out she didn’t make it and he almost quit being a superhero because of it.
But even in The Boys it’s just the bad guys doing that.
The dark reality is that the good guys need to watch themselves too.
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They don’t mostly because they know the risk.
In Gen V, the main character gets her powers by accidentally killing her parents.
And in the latest season, Huey’s dad kills a bunch of patients because of his confusion due to dementia.
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The “good” Supes also occasionally have to deal with collateral damage they cause
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Like Starlight accidentally blinding a bystander when stopping a robbery, which then comes back to haunt her
That was such a bullshit copout. Like, yeah she blinded someone, which is horrible in its own right, but in the story if Starlight hadn’t acted then the woman would have been dead instead of blind. I’d take that trade any day.
Super Crooks has this, iirc there’s even a comment at one point about the heroes having a bigger body count than the villains.
the penis scene was just pure gold.
It always bugged me how in Man of Steel, Superman has to deal with the moral quandary of breaking the bad guy’s neck at the cost of vaporizing a family.
Like they spent the previous 20 minutes punching each other through buildings. No way that was the first family they killed.
I’ve missed a lot of DC movies, but wasn’t Ben Affleck’s Batman inspired to come out of retirement due to this … Or something like that? I might be completely bungling the details.
Yeah, more or less. Then they stop fighting because both of their moms are named Martha. That movie is one of the worst things ever created.
Terrible movie due to the plot, but it has some really good looking scenes
I think Hancock had a few instances of that
Never got around to that one, worth it?
Critically panned, across the board, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. It could have done with another couple of rounds of script polishing.
It was two movies Frankensteined into one. The first half is awesome. The second, not so much.
There’s a deleted scene where Hancock meets a woman at a bar and takes her home. It’s kinda weirdly emotional and totally should’ve been left in the movie imo. Here’s the scene.
It was a script undirected for 12 years
It’s not a good movie but it’s a fun watch if you’re not expecting much.
It’s okay, not memorable though. I can’t seems to recall anything from that movie but i do remember i have fun watching it.
I remember liking half of it. Oddly enough, I can’t remember whether I liked the first half where he’s a drunken bum, or the second half, where he’s more together, but I specifically remember thinking half of it was decent at least.
So yeah, I agree that it’s not very memorable.
You liked the drunken bum half. It just gets more stupid when the other guy’s woman is a super hero too.
I mean, sort of. It was funny when she got pissed off and did some stupid stuff to make him leave. Didn’t she throw a refrigerator, and him with it, through the house wall?
Have it on in the background.
I never fully understood Katherine Heigl’s character and her point in the plot.
It’s decent. Not great.
Fair enough!
I wanted to like the movie, but drunk will smith just didn’t do it at all for me.
The first 2/3rds of the movie is really good. The last part is pretty bad. Overall I enjoyed it.
Love this scene
It’s good, but upon re-watching it now from when I first watched it, and thinking a little differently about it - Superman talks about needing to be careful to not hurt people and cause deaths. Then he proceeds to put Darkseid through several buildings that obviously weren’t evacuated, followed by punching him so hard he goes through a couple layers of earth and totally destroys a bunch of infrastructure. He essentially shows his power and ignores everything he just said.
I still love seeing Superman let loose and fuck Darkseid’s shit up though. 😂
I hadn’t seen it before so my first thought was “uhhh… Superman?”
I mean were those buildings even evacuated? He probably killed a fair few innocent bystanders there 😂
Superman knows where there’s people and where there isn’t. Authors can argue there wasn’t anyone there.
I wonder what insurance would look like for those people, tho. Like if you live in a city where this sort of thing happens even once every few years, nobody is going to insure the area. Maybe they have some sort of government program like FEMA, but like… even that would probably be very limited.
So he may not be killing people outright, but he is very likely still absolutely destroying their lives at roughly the scale of a tornado.
Theres definitely a TikTok sketch in the idea “superhero insurance”
Like one of those greensceeen one actor things. “Moving to Gotham City” or something
Edit just want to point out I don’t use tiktok but I see skits on YT
Just because he knows he shouldn’t lose control, that doesn’t mean that it won’t happen now and again.
I know a bunch of things that I should do and still fuck up on a regular basis.
Sure, but he literally just gave a speech about it and then proceeds to ignore in roughly less than 30 seconds. 😂
😂 ok, that is pretty funny then. I never saw it, I didn’t understand the timing of it all.
They cut all such scenes and pasted into The Boys, in a Mark Twain style “Sprinkle these around as you see fit!”.
Perhaps they are going for a tone of heroic escapism, or fantastical drama over gory and downbeat “realism”.
If you really just want to see heroes maiming people it’s been done. Invincible, The Boys (show and comic). Even back to the 90s there were comics like Stormwatch that centered on the premise of “realistic” consequences of super powers.
Aye, it’s all about what theme you’re exploring or mood that’s being set. We don’t have batman exploding into mist when he fights people who can lift planes/cruise ships with their bare hands, because that’s not the story being told. When the theme is about the consequences of powers, rather than the escapism and being good (the ‘super’ part of superman being his morals and convictions), we get the boys and their (gory) explosions.
The web serial Worm by Wildbow, written like 10-15 years ago maybe, is also a pretty good superhero deconstruction.
Didn’t The Incredibles have a backstory like that where supes are basically illegal after they caused too much collateral damage?
Mr. Incredible is sued for stopping a man’s suicide and injuring him instead.
In a Disney film.
This is explicitly stated, to the camera, within the first 5 minutes.
Holy shit Disney, you hadn’t “Up’d” us yet, chill
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And it was Brad Bird working on it, a Simpsons alumni. They always punch higher than usual writers.
Pixar wasn’t owned by them, but they were contractually obligated to be making movies for and with Disney
This article is a great rundown of Pixar and Disney, but while the latter did publish Pixar’s movies through the nineties and early naughties they had very little creative influence over them - especially compared to what would come post acquisition. Even the four “transitional” films (that had already begun production in 2006) are clearly more Pixar than Disney.
Ok? Already knew all that
The point is that Disney is famously child/family friendly and that they had influence on the film, thats why a direct reference to suicide in the first 5m is especially surprising: Disney let it happen
Pixar actually being the ones who made it is entirely irrelevant to my point and also incredibly basic film trivia
In general I tend to differentiate between creator and publisher in all art. It would have been a more shocking inclusion had it been a movie made by Disney themselves - at least to me. I’m open to being wrong about how much Disney meddled in Pixar stories pre 2006 purchase though. I can’t say it’s a subject I’ve studied at length. I know there is a book about Pixar but I haven’t read it. Do you have any sources?
It’s also got some somewhat overt Objectivist messaging? Syndrome’s line: “when everyone is super, no one will be.” is fascinating.
Like, you can make an argument that a major message of the film is that some people are born special and more capable than others, and should be alotted special privileges. Syndrome isn’t one of the golden few, and rather than accept that, he attempts to democratize super powers to some extent (although because he’s the bad guy, part of his plan is making money from this).
I love the film, I just get some odd vibes from it at times.
Invincible covers this a lot.
It’s a major plot point in avengers as well, tbf, and why they spit up.
I loved the first season of invincible. The thought came after watching a gif of captain America splitting a log with he bare hands. Like there should be PPE for just being around a super hero. He split that log with enough force to send a splinter strait through someone skull.
Like deku in my hero flicks air to create a pressure wave that can propel him into the sky. The insane amount of force at play should have more collateral damage.
Him splitting that log with his hands was safer to stand near than someone hitting it with a maul, which is how it’s usually split.
Not if you look at the way he effortlessly tore that thing in two. The thing just came apart and didn’t even resist. Now I know that’s just how the prop is designed but still. Also, you should wear ppe when hitting it with a maul.
The Avengers story was just annoying. They literally saved the earth from complete enslavement to an alien invasion, and they must be held accountable for the damage they caused while doing that? Come the fuck on! They didn’t cause that damage, the alien invasion did. Tony and Bruce are supposed to be like the smartest people in the entire world, and neither of them could respond with that basic logic? I hate that fucking storyline.
New York is all the Asgardians’ fault. If Thor hadn’t gotten himself exiled, Loki wouldn’t have come to Earth and found the Tesseract, so no invasion.
Sokovia, though, is all Tony’s fault. He built and released an unaligned superhuman AI agent. (Don’t do that, folks; it predictably breaks the planet.)
That’s true about Sokovia. But blaming Thor for Loki’s actions is wrong.
No one blames New York on the Avengers, or even on Thor. It only gets serious with Sokovia, which is entirely Tony’s fault going off the rails in secret. It’s also introduced slowly and early, with a woman blaming Tony for her son’s death in Avengers I think (before the Iron Man thing), which starts him early on facing his guilt and responsibility, leading to his fuck-up.
Someone did an analysis of what would happen if Superman actually punched you at full strength, and it turns out his fist would never connect with you, because you’d be vaporized by the wave of nuclear explosions erupting from his knuckles as they caused air molecules to fuse in nanoseconds.
I mean this is how Civil War and Age of Ultron comes about?
I think Zach Snyder tried for this in Batman v Superman but of course he did so with no appreciation of the themes or subtlety. And Martha.
Why did you say that name?
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Brightburn. I haven’t seen it (yet), but alternate universe where Superman becomes evil. Trailers showed him absolutely wrecking his classmates in anger and frustration.
That movie is pretty fucked, but in a weird way that makes it good? Like it’s kinda weird seeing Elizabeth Banks and that one guy from The Office being the parents, but they do a good job.
There’s one scene in particular that kinda fucked me up, but you haven’t seen it so I won’t tell you.
Ooh! This sounds great! I’m going to look it up right now.
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While only a comic its a fantastic telling of a superhero going insane and the others trying to stop him. The Plutonian levels whole cities and kills millions in the first issue lol. It’s fucking wild.
Misfits is not really what you’re asking for, but is a more light hearted a-typical superhero show about people who were sentenced to community service all accidentally gaining super powers. They mostly use their powers selfishly but not in evil ways. It’s pretty well done as far as character growth
This was a great show.
