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    “You have a duty to demand the highest safety standards… and [ensure] that ‘speak up’ in fact means speak up, not shut up, as it is meant all too often.”

    Tell that to Snowden, Assange, Manning etc.

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          Haha no. He selectively edited Manning’s stuff to frame the US Army long before 2016.

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            “Frame” the US Army…? Bro the great satan doesn’t need any framing, its sins are dripping from its fangs and claws.

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              Then why did he edit videos he used to accuse the Army of war crimes? If they don’t need to be framed, why fuck with the evidence?

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        Fuck Snowden too, no respect for him running to Russia. If you think it’s your moral obligation to break the law, you should be willing to take the consequences. You can’t run off to an enemy state that does much worse things than what you were willing to break the law to expose. I have zero doubt Snowden is a traitor and gave Russia whatever they wanted. It’s possible he started off well meaning, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did it for Russia all along. His original intentions don’t matter now either way, he had a high clearance and Russia now knows everything he learned with that clearance beyond even the scope of his “whistleblowing”.

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          Maybe don’t throw your whistleblowers in a jail and let them rot for life, and you will avoid defections to another country.

          Can you blame the guy to not want to die in a dark cell for showing the world that your own government is keeping a lot of tabs on you without your knowledge?

          He tried to go to other countries, but none of them wanted to take him in except Russia because of what he knew.

          So it’s either die in a cell in the US, or live a somewhat free man in Russia.

          The choice is clear.

          So demand that your government do better and get behind the people that shows you how your government fucks you over.

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            There would have been a lot of pressure to get him released and would have kept what he revealed talked about and more pressure to end that as well. He’s just a little bitch that wanted to play hero and or a Russian agent.

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          I thought he was trying to go somewhere with no extradition treaty with the US and was laid over in Russia when his passport was suspended. It’s kind of outlined here but I could see how that could be concocted and I just want to believe he was better than a Russia mole.

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          He didnt run to russia you moron, his passport was canceled by the USA while he was in russia. And his only demand for giving himself up to the US and go to trial was that he was allowed a public interest defense.

          FUCK THE USA. You are licking the boots of a surveillance state, and snowden has more backbone than your entire familytree

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          Fuck the US and any other governments that are doing this dodgy shit that requires whistleblowing in the first place.

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          I mean, if I felt morally obliged to disclose illegal or immoral practices to the public, I’d be sure to run so somewhere they can’t get me. If there aren’t proper whistleblower protections, you gotta make your own.

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              Haha yeah imagine sucking dick like some kind of GAY.

              Snowden is one of the bravest and most heroic Americans alive today, and he is alive because he was smart enough to take precautions instead of letting himself get Epstein’d in some blacksite, like you want. What kinda idiot gets himself killed or imprisoned when he could be free? What the fuck kind of logic is it that says you have to submit to the judgement of a brazenly unjust and oppressive regime? Fuck that shit.

              It’s thanks to him that we’re at least aware of the movements of the enemy of the public that is the US state. Braver than any troop. Die mad about it.

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                There is nothing inherently gay about sucking dick. Snowden is a traitor, nothing heroic about him. Ohh so brave running to papa Putin after stealing US Intel. Brave would be facing the consequences of his actions because he felt what he was so important it was worth it. All this blacksite bullshit is a strawman. It’s far more likely he’s a Russian agent than it is he would have been disappeared and or killed.

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                  There is nothing inherently gay about sucking dick.

                  Oh, excuse me.

                  Haha yeah imagine sucking dick like some kind of WOMAN.

                  Snowden is a traitor, nothing heroic about him

                  The traitors are the people in government brazenly violating the law and persecuting the heroes who reveal their crimes to the people. Real treason is treason against the people, treason against a government that is oppressing the people is heroism.

                  All this blacksite bullshit is a strawman. It’s far more likely he’s a Russian agent than it is he would have been disappeared and or killed.

                  Lol.

                  Unlike you, Snowden was actually intelligent enough to know what would happen to him if he didn’t make arrangements for his freedom. I have no idea how it’s possible to be as naive as you, but I guess when you’re completely focused on licking the boot, you don’t have much awareness of anything other than that. In fact, your main problem with Snowden is that he made you aware of uncomfortable truths, you’d rather remain in comfortable ignorance so you don’t have to worry about the fact that you no longer have civil liberties. Just don’t move and you’ll never notice the chains, right? You’re too cowardly to face the truth.

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          I have noticed that if you say anything bad about snowden on reddit or now the Fediverse, you quickly get down-voted a lot. I am starting to think this is coordinated somehow.

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            He’s a whistleblower. Corrupt corpos/countries hate whistleblowers. Reddit/Lemmy users hate corrupt corpos/countries. There.

            It’s as easy as that, no need to bring out conspiracies.

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              You are probably right. It’s just the speed and amount that got me thinking otherwise. Lemmy is a lot more popular then I thought.

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            Deploy our great bot army!

            For what purpose, Sir?

            Downvote any post on any social media platform that is critical of Snowden!

            As you command, SIr!

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            It’s not coordination when sheep decide to bleat the same thing based off headlines. Most people want to believe he wasn’t a mole because that fits the little guy hero narrative better.

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              Most people want to believe he wasn’t a mole

              This sheep has never seen anyone provide any kind of evidence for such claims.

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                He could not have gained access from his position to the data compiled. His story on how he did doesn’t add up to anyone with security clearance. The real way it was accomplished isn’t going to be divulged either. The NSA isn’t going to publicly explain whatever avenue was found.

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                  You see that this is trust me bro, no matter how correct you may be, right?

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      The total energy of the strong finger wagging that follows this admission will be enough to power a flashlight for 2 milliseconds.

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      These fellows are going to get slammed and blasted by Congress, it might spoil up to a few minutes of their time on the yacht.

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      Do you mean “award them more fat defense contacts??” Cuz that’s what we’re gonna do!

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      Much too harsh for this gold-domed “too important to really hold to account” CEO. Perhaps a mildly stern, yet askance look (or two, if the crowd rumbles for more)

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      oh boy their wrist is gonna hurt so much. that is what you get for killing/endangering lives of many people to gain couple more billions on your already existing billions. Go MURICAH!

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    How the f do you even start killing people for this? I mean the PR crisis that follows an assassination makes everything way worse doesn’t it?

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      There are people who have a lot riding on the line going up (often the same people in high positions in the organisation)

      All these whistleblowers make the line go down

      Of the people psychopathic enough to accumulate enough wealth to have a significant stake in Boeing, there’s going to be a percentage who are full-psychopath.

      It’s what unabated greed looks like

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        Let’s also not forget those lucrative NASA and Military contracts. A lot of private and public money riding on this.

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      You only kill a whistleblower if you’re confident that they would have said something worse in court. It’s almost guaranteed to be front page news.

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      It’s what he’s paid for

      Bad PR comes and he takes the fall of stepping down with an exit package then everyone is happy

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        Nobody’s fucking happy about any of this. They killed a person for speaking up about something that affects almost everyone.

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    David Calhoun apologized to the families of Boeing crash victims, saying the manufacturer was “totally committed” to future saftey improvements, as he began testimony at the committee on Tuesday.

    Cue South Park investment banker BP oil spill apology.

    Also, “saftey”? Seriously, Independent?