NATO is the US’s main military foothold in Europe. And considering the Nazis explicitly emulated their conquest for lebensraum in eastern Europe on the colonialist manifest destiny project of the US, its not hard to see why NATO not only early on, but even now, would continue to work with white supremacists.
Its more accurate to say that NATO exists to continue upholding the interests of US and European capital.
On Media Bias/Fact Check, The Grayzone is still pending evaluation, but is marked as a news outlet that publishes conspiracy and pseudoscience, although being a premature labeling. Of course, we should wait for a full review
Sorry bro, but I can’t trust Swiss Policy Research with what they say, being that they’re not transparent with their work. I’m sure you’ve read “Criticism of SPR” at the bottom of their About Us / Contact page
How exactly do you trust that site more than any other site that claims to be impartial? Huge news outlets that tout themselves as being objective and unbiased like the Guardian, Independent, AP, etc have been called out for anti-far-left fake news so what makes this site so special?
I wouldn’t say special, I just mentioned a fairly credible fact-checking website, but I might be wrong as others sites can review the news outlet, or have already.
Also: here, here and here are MB/FC’s reviews on those outlets you mentioned, updated this March
Strongly suggest you consider doing your own critical thinking on every issue and news source rather than relying on another website to tell you how to think about a media source. These fact verifying sites and news bias identifiers are only good for reinforcing internet arguments with ad hominem fallacy and wasting peoples time. There are good and bad stories in a pro imperial NYT and anti imperial Grayzone. Please read the article, think critically about it, then form an opinion.
Yes, I will. I’m constantly looking for the best way to be informed about current events without bs. Thank you for the suggestion, can you please give me an alternative to fact-checkers, which seem to give empirical evidence on events portrayed by media?
It’s basically like hearing from a nazi talking about the labour party. Instead they’ll talk about how for example NATO works to undermind the white race. You grose me out, you and all the other disgusting people that propel this kind of shit on Lemmy. I don’t know how things are socially for you with these things, maybe you never talk about it with people you know IRL.
I literally showed you 2 nazi generals who helped found NATO, and showed you multiple examples of todays NATO glorifying nazis. How on earth can you possibly defend this?
Correlation and causation are mathematical concepts relating to a set of numeric data. It doesn’t apply when the organization in question has literally been caught praising prominant Nazis, AND had Nazi founders. That’s not correlation, that’s them doing stuff.
That’s not a factual comment. At least provide proper sources apart from some Wikipedia screenshots and a far-left tabloid website. You’re countering one extremist viewpoint with another, which is… interesting.
Have you seen the Nazi flags being flown by American rightists and the US politicians that cheer them on and call them patriots and fine people? The Nazi flags flown during the January 6 coup attempt and the US politicans that just now blocked an investigation and completely deny that fascism had anything to do with it?
Really though, this is annoying with regards to who the general secretary of NATO is.
It’s not many years ago a far right terrorist called Anders Breivik killed almost a 100 teenagers attending a youth party summer camp of the party he was a leader of at the same time as he was Norway’s state minister at the time. The terrorist suspected the labour party for being communists (labour party being the party is was leader of)
The Azov Battalion, a neo Nazi group, burned 46 people alive in the Trade Union House fire in Odessa in 2014. Of which Roman is affiliated with. Your ex state minister is a politician and now leads one of the most beligerent military alliances in the world. Sorry to break it to you.
You are not breaking anything. I think you should look more into european politics as you don’t know enough of the context. “NATO defending nazis”. It’s a whole lot of bullcrap
I’m quite well versed thanks. We have a different perspective but NATO is tacitly supporting neo Nazi groups at the behest of the USA in order to apply pressure on Russia and keep Eastern European countries away from socialist (and by extension, pro-russian) politicians.
Maybe you need to read up on it a bit more?
Yeah, totally. NATO are big friends with Nazis. They have tea-parties and everything.
you don’t understand, social democracy is gud, how could they ever be friends with nazis?! it just doesn’t make sense!!!1
Good work. Now majority of NATO countries are social nazists that want to restore the third reich, pretty logical stuff
NATO is the US’s main military foothold in Europe. And considering the Nazis explicitly emulated their conquest for lebensraum in eastern Europe on the colonialist manifest destiny project of the US, its not hard to see why NATO not only early on, but even now, would continue to work with white supremacists.
Its more accurate to say that NATO exists to continue upholding the interests of US and European capital.
Some of NATOs recent hits:
On Media Bias/Fact Check, The Grayzone is still pending evaluation, but is marked as a news outlet that publishes conspiracy and pseudoscience, although being a premature labeling. Of course, we should wait for a full review
A larger / better study of bias in media.
The propaganda multiplier
Sorry bro, but I can’t trust Swiss Policy Research with what they say, being that they’re not transparent with their work. I’m sure you’ve read “Criticism of SPR” at the bottom of their About Us / Contact page
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Whatever you say man
How exactly do you trust that site more than any other site that claims to be impartial? Huge news outlets that tout themselves as being objective and unbiased like the Guardian, Independent, AP, etc have been called out for anti-far-left fake news so what makes this site so special?
I wouldn’t say special, I just mentioned a fairly credible fact-checking website, but I might be wrong as others sites can review the news outlet, or have already.
Also: here, here and here are MB/FC’s reviews on those outlets you mentioned, updated this March
Strongly suggest you consider doing your own critical thinking on every issue and news source rather than relying on another website to tell you how to think about a media source. These fact verifying sites and news bias identifiers are only good for reinforcing internet arguments with ad hominem fallacy and wasting peoples time. There are good and bad stories in a pro imperial NYT and anti imperial Grayzone. Please read the article, think critically about it, then form an opinion.
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Yes, I will. I’m constantly looking for the best way to be informed about current events without bs. Thank you for the suggestion, can you please give me an alternative to fact-checkers, which seem to give empirical evidence on events portrayed by media?
It’s basically like hearing from a nazi talking about the labour party. Instead they’ll talk about how for example NATO works to undermind the white race. You grose me out, you and all the other disgusting people that propel this kind of shit on Lemmy. I don’t know how things are socially for you with these things, maybe you never talk about it with people you know IRL.
I literally showed you 2 nazi generals who helped found NATO, and showed you multiple examples of todays NATO glorifying nazis. How on earth can you possibly defend this?
Because this and that doesn*t mean thismakes this and that. Basic level stuff like ‘correlation doesn’t mean causation’ type of meme.
I do wonder if you give the same benefit of the doubt for non-Western countries, like China. Or Belarus.
Correlation and causation are mathematical concepts relating to a set of numeric data. It doesn’t apply when the organization in question has literally been caught praising prominant Nazis, AND had Nazi founders. That’s not correlation, that’s them doing stuff.
Good you have logic on your side
@dessalines@lemmy.ml
Can I talk with you over Jitsi. I wanna talk to you face to face. I’d love to do it.
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This is jitsi https://jitsi.org/
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No, go defend NATO to someone ignorant of its history. There’s nothing I could possibly learn from you.
That’s not a factual comment. At least provide proper sources apart from some Wikipedia screenshots and a far-left tabloid website. You’re countering one extremist viewpoint with another, which is… interesting.
I’ll respect that. I’m not looking to change your mind anyway, just wanted to talk to you face to face while explaining the stuff.
Have you seen the Nazi flags being flown by American rightists and the US politicians that cheer them on and call them patriots and fine people? The Nazi flags flown during the January 6 coup attempt and the US politicans that just now blocked an investigation and completely deny that fascism had anything to do with it?
Guess which country has the most power in NATO.
@Nevar@lemmy.ml
Really though, this is annoying with regards to who the general secretary of NATO is.
It’s not many years ago a far right terrorist called Anders Breivik killed almost a 100 teenagers attending a youth party summer camp of the party he was a leader of at the same time as he was Norway’s state minister at the time. The terrorist suspected the labour party for being communists (labour party being the party is was leader of)
The Azov Battalion, a neo Nazi group, burned 46 people alive in the Trade Union House fire in Odessa in 2014. Of which Roman is affiliated with. Your ex state minister is a politician and now leads one of the most beligerent military alliances in the world. Sorry to break it to you.
You are not breaking anything. I think you should look more into european politics as you don’t know enough of the context. “NATO defending nazis”. It’s a whole lot of bullcrap
I’m quite well versed thanks. We have a different perspective but NATO is tacitly supporting neo Nazi groups at the behest of the USA in order to apply pressure on Russia and keep Eastern European countries away from socialist (and by extension, pro-russian) politicians. Maybe you need to read up on it a bit more?
omg
Sometimes the truth is shocking, I know. Breathe Neo, breathe.
Sure my dude
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio