The U.S. vetoed a UN Security Council resolution Friday calling for a ceasefire to the fighting in Gaza.

The U.S. and Israel have opposed calls for a ceasefire, saying it would strengthen Hamas.

The vote was delayed for several hours over worries the U.S. would veto it. Diplomats from several Arab nations met with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken to try to convince the U.S. to abstain from voting.

As a permanent member of the council, the U.S. has veto power, and had signaled it planned to block the resolution. The U.K. abstained from the vote, while the 13 other members of the council voted for it.

read more: https://www.semafor.com/article/12/08/2023/un-security-council-votes-on-gaza-ceasefire-resolution-amid-israel-hamas-conflict

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      Trump would be 10x worse, or is that what you had in mind?

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        Both options would have been collosal twats about this. It’s still valid to call the person currently being a twat about it a twat.

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          Sure, but someone repeating Trump’s insults is also a twat.

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            Did Trump actually say? That’s funny considering he’d do the same. I have been saying it since the first US veto back in October, I even thought I came up with it. It is true and has a nice ring to it.

            The real question is why is the US run by racist genocidal geriatrics from both parties? Fix your democracy before trying to export it to the Middle East.

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            The Afghanistan pullout was planned during the Trump admin, mind you, Biden basically just didn’t back out of it. Not saying it wasn’t a good thing, but using it as a comparison against the administration that planned it is a bit disingenuous.

            And the comparison of drone strikes under Obama is as much a Trumpism as “Genocide Joe”, so using it as a defense against using Trumpisms is also disingenuous.

            Not saying Biden isn’t a far sight better than Trump or anything else coming from the conservative camps, but he’s no less of a warhawk at this point.

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              I agree that Biden isn’t really much less of a warhawk, but the point I’m making is that there’s probably been if anything slightly less genocide by the US under Biden than other presidents, which just makes the nickname more ridiculous.

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                It’s not that he’s much less of a warhawk, he’s no less of a warhawk.

                Yes, the nickname is dumb, but that’s mostly because it’s a Trumpism, not that it doesn’t have a tinge of accuracy to it.

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                  I dunno, I still think there’s a valid point to it. Previous presidents increased the amount of genocide, they continued and added to previous actions, Biden has done things to decrease it.

                  Like, if you were to plot genocide on a logarithmic scale, the slope would be lesser under Biden.

                  Like, if inflation has been really high, but then becomes a bit less high.

                  It’s objectively better. Still definitely not good, but not as bad as before, but also still not getting better quickly enough.

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            It is not a Trumpism. I’m from Saudi Arabia, it is an apt description for the most genocidal maniac leader of the 21st century. Trump possibly being worse is just a condemnation of the USA.

            Also, past US president were war criminals who should have faced trial for their war crimes, but Joe is escalating it to an unprecedented genocide.

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          10x genocide?

          He would let the Palestinian people die and start wars with other countries to distract the rest of us

          • Biden is already not only letting thousands of Palestinians die but he is sending Israel the weapons to kill them with.

            Also Biden is already dragging the US into further wars in my region. If Trump was going to start new wars he would have already done so. People forget that Biden played a role in Bush’s invasion of Iraq and Obama’s drone strikes on hospitals.

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      Ah yes, I am sure Trump wouldn’t do the same thing as well 🙄

      The US will always back Israel because the US sees military strategic value against the Middle East with Israel, namely Iran. It also helps that Israel exports a lot of medical equipment to the US as well, so financially we have a good relationship with them there as well.

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        “trump worse” doesn’t mean that this isn’t bad. The bar is so fucking low at this point, and even then Dems can’t clear it.

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        The US will always support genocidal maniacs is not a valid argument, and neither is that Trump is as bad.

        I genuinely can’t understand why you are defending a genocide. This is bad for the US’s international standing. It hurts the US-led coalition against Russia. Even if you don’t care or humanize Palestinians, you should at least pretend to care about long term US interests at home and abroad.

        “Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine” https://archive.ph/ctAhD

        “We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South . [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

        Many developing countries have traditionally supported the Palestinian cause, seeing it through the prism of self-determination and a push against the global dominance of the US, Israel’s most important backer.

        “What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

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          He’s defending genocide because he’s grasping at straws trying to pin everything on native peoples for not wanting to have their land stolen

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          Who said I was defending it? What did I say that would imply that?

          My post is explaining why this would have happened regardless of who was in charge in response to the honestly stupid “gEnOcIdEr JoE” post. If you ask me, this shouldn’t even be happening in the first place, and I personally don’t advocate for war and/or genocide nor condone such barbaric actions because of the more harmful long-term consequences such things have on people from both sides of the conflict. We should have agreed to the ceasefire, and am disappointed we veto’d it.

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            If the current resident president was Trump, people would have called him Genocide Don and rightfully so. The most shameful thing any president could do is allow a genocide to happen when he has the full power to stop it.

            I am glad you agree that the US vetoing the ceasefire multiple times is wrong and makes it complicit in the crimes, not to mention all the bombs and financial aid they are sending to Israel.