Russia (and their puppy Belarus) are literally importing people from middle east and tell them they can live there, once they are there they get shipped to the border to Poland…
No. They were in a country considered safe for civilians. There is no active war in Belarus. EU does not have to take anyone, we still do for endangered people, if we back down on that line there it will only get worse and the right wing people will get even more ground.
Nope, absolutely disagree. People were being used as pawns and pushed towards the border by Belarus, where they were freezing and Poland would not let humanitarian aid or journalists reach them. Neither country’s government gave a shit about the value of human life.
That’s an interesting take… The border might be “artificial” in terms of land, but in terms of culture and quality of life I think your opinion is a bit… extreme. Like, if you had to personally host an economic migrant from a very poor country I don’t think your resolve would hold. It’s one of those things that sounds nice on paper but really isn’t once implemented.
Consider, for example, that countries on opposite ends of the of the political spectrum and economy agree that they must have control over their borders to some extent. Either to keep people in or to keep people out. Do you honestly believe that communism, democracy, or [insert your preferred system here] can work if you allow millions of people who hate it into your country? Your opinion does not seem compatible with a functional society.
Like, if you had to personally host an economic migrant from a very poor country I don’t think your resolve would hold.
It’s your assumption, I’ve hosted two people from a very poor country (Ukraine), not for too long (3 months) but we had no issues. But it’s just one, my case, anegdotic fact. Also, I personally know many refugees, I’ve helped some to get through the border, who were determined to find new life in a new place and they succeeded. However I know and have that in mind, that not everybody acclimatize and some need really wide and huuuuge spectrum of help and guidance
Also, we have to finally understand that global climate changes will make tens of millions people to move from their, already unhabitable areas. Whatever numbers of people moved already, it’s nothing compared to the near future. We have to be prepared for it, but not with guns, bullets and walls. We have to prepare them, to export knowledge, education, culture, financial help to poor countries to that there won’t be that huge schock for both us and them during upcoming migrations.
And yes, I don’t care bout artificial borders. Even biblical (other religions for sure speak the same) Natural Law talks about it. Nature doesn’t belong to any person. Land doesn’t belong to any person.
What alternative would you suggest then? They have people taking advantage of the fact that isn’t a physical barrier there. Once it’s there they will definitely have less illegal immigration. What other method is there?
Yikes
Russia (and their puppy Belarus) are literally importing people from middle east and tell them they can live there, once they are there they get shipped to the border to Poland…
This is on Russia not Poland.
When there were people freezing near the border, that was on Poland as well.
No. They were in a country considered safe for civilians. There is no active war in Belarus. EU does not have to take anyone, we still do for endangered people, if we back down on that line there it will only get worse and the right wing people will get even more ground.
Nope, absolutely disagree. People were being used as pawns and pushed towards the border by Belarus, where they were freezing and Poland would not let humanitarian aid or journalists reach them. Neither country’s government gave a shit about the value of human life.
They where on Belarusian soil.
Your reaction confuses me. Do you think you can just walk in to any country in the world as you please?
Yes. Why should I be bothered about some artificial borders?
That’s an interesting take… The border might be “artificial” in terms of land, but in terms of culture and quality of life I think your opinion is a bit… extreme. Like, if you had to personally host an economic migrant from a very poor country I don’t think your resolve would hold. It’s one of those things that sounds nice on paper but really isn’t once implemented.
Consider, for example, that countries on opposite ends of the of the political spectrum and economy agree that they must have control over their borders to some extent. Either to keep people in or to keep people out. Do you honestly believe that communism, democracy, or [insert your preferred system here] can work if you allow millions of people who hate it into your country? Your opinion does not seem compatible with a functional society.
Also, we have to finally understand that global climate changes will make tens of millions people to move from their, already unhabitable areas. Whatever numbers of people moved already, it’s nothing compared to the near future. We have to be prepared for it, but not with guns, bullets and walls. We have to prepare them, to export knowledge, education, culture, financial help to poor countries to that there won’t be that huge schock for both us and them during upcoming migrations.
And yes, I don’t care bout artificial borders. Even biblical (other religions for sure speak the same) Natural Law talks about it. Nature doesn’t belong to any person. Land doesn’t belong to any person.
That was just my honest reaction, lol. But since you asked, no I don’t think that, but I do think a wall is goofy.
What alternative would you suggest then? They have people taking advantage of the fact that isn’t a physical barrier there. Once it’s there they will definitely have less illegal immigration. What other method is there?
Let me clarify, I don’t think you can just walk into any country, but I do think you should be able too.
My mistake, that is true, lol