We need a new party. Or burn it all to the ground.
Electoral politics are clearly a fools errand at this point anyway
“oh but why won’t people vote for the democrats?!?!”
Because they’re fucking pussies. Time to vote for the Black Panther Party. I don’t care if you’re white. I am too.
Now dawn that black beret and start marching with rifle in hand. We’re going to go form some fucking cooperatives!
C’mon, they waved those little signs and all that.
And those same people won’t vote for an AOC or Sanders in their district because… Reasons?
Right seriously
“Erm Bernie isn’t viable because he’s too radical”
As if Biden or Harris had any appeal aside from not being Trump???
I’m still mad people didn’t care that the dems essentially skipped their primary as a way to cheese their candidate selection and not because they actually didn’t have the time to complete a primary.
Democratic party is the party of status quo.
Conservative party is the party of destruction/cancer.
The people want a party of progress.
The people will never get what they want with these two parties in charge of everything.
Just a sad fact. Things will get worse before they get better.
Voters: Free Luigi, eat the rich
Elected officials: 💁♂️
Exactly.
Eventually something minor cannot be done, we want democrat politicians to stop cooperating with Republicans… but no, they just roll to expose their belly and vote in the budget bill.
Luigi doesn’t poll very well either. His highest demographic is on par with Trump’s general approval.
where are you seeing luigi mangione polling numbers? who is conducting these polls?
The secret ingredient is lies!
people are too afraid of impending fascism but they do support him
There have been a few, search it
That response tells me you pulled it out of your ass
I think by far the most favorable poll of Luigi was College Pulse, in which the largest group found the killing somewhat justified with 33% and totally justified in 15%.
A better portrayal of the USA as a whole would be StratPolitics poll which breaks down his approval to above or below 45 years old with a very stark difference of 8% and 31%.
I’ve presented two polls magically out of my ass, I take it you’re still trying to figure out the internet to find one poll counter to my claim?
You’d be a lot more effective if you just shared the polls right away.
I still think I’m very effective. Don’t be swayed by a downvote botnet, look for the signs of organic behavior.
we all live in customized media bubbles. if i’m asking for something it’s because i searched and i couldn’t find it. i saw your other comment and am looking that stuff over, but i didn’t ask because i lack the knowledge to perform a web search
I never doubted you
Not that I don’t believe you, but you made the claim: Provide evidence? What poll are you referring to?
Thanks!
No
OK
Fuck Americans. And I say that as an American.
A good chunk of you dont give a fuck about voting and that’s why were here.
And they probably aren’t smart enough to sign up to Lemmy.
So eat it up. Everyday. Wake up and smell it. All the shit.
Democratic leaders blearily looked up from their mid-afternoon cocktails on the decks of billionaire’s yachts and said, “They want us to what?”
Indeed, they’re just too status quo.
Trump is actively killing democracy. Some Democratic politicians have chosen the most pathetic, inexcusable response possible: bland indifference.
I’m torn between fear that our government will collapse, and the cynical realization that maybe it deserves to.
So, trumps polling all time low numbers, democrats are polling low numbers.
I feel like if I release T-Shirts that just say “Everything sucks”, they would be universally popular.
*gestures broadly* T-shirts
Person wearing “gestures broadly” t-shirt standing next to someone wearing a “Thanks, I hate it” t-shirt.
I’d vote for that ticket.
Unfortunately I think the people need to start fighting first. Neither side can count on their elected officials anymore. One side is just too stupid to realize it yet…
Need some serious, if not injurious protests. Time to fight and make some noise.
Democratic party is owned by capitalists. They will never fight for policy that actually improves living conditions of the working class, and thus their sole ‘popularity’ has to stem from people who think they will fight against fascism (they won’t and they don’t).
Leninism and Stalinism is every bit as bad as fascism. In fact they are practically the same thing. That why Stalin made a military invasion pact with Hitler against Poland.
They will never fight for policy that actually improves living conditions of the working class
You mean like social security, medicare, and the ACA?
thus their sole ‘popularity’ has to stem from people who think they will fight against fascism
This is backwards. Their unpopularity is because they aren’t fighting nearly enough against fascism.
Socialist states have been very effective against fascism, it’s a shame that the US keeps couping them by providing weapons and insane amounts of money to actual fascist groups.
How has medicare worked out for you? Last I heard the whole US population was celebrating the murder of a healthcare CEO because the US healthcare system systematically bankrupts and/or kills working class people.
Kamala dropped the ball with the presidential campaign. She had no opinion on any issue that majority of voters really cared about. No wonder the entire democratic party gets backlash
She should have never been the candidate. Biden put her in an unwinnable position. The old geezer’s ego cost America it’s democracy.
You don’t think it’s the other way around? You don’t think it was more her pushing to be their candidate than Biden pushing her? Cuz I don’t believe for a second Biden pushed her into that. That was always her ambition.
He waited way too long for the party to pick someone other than the de facto choice which is the vp. He cost Dems their primary. So no. I think she gave Dems the best shot they had given the position Biden put them in.
Way more than enough time for a primary
That’s ridiculous. Biden dropped out at the end of July. If you expect candidates to run a primary and a presidential campaign in 4 months, in America, you seriously misunderstand how informed the average voter is. People knowing who Kamala is is a big part of why she was the only valid candidate at the time
4 months is more than enough time to run a primary and a presidential campaign. Entire countries do it in 6 weeks. The party didn’t want to do it because the party wanted to put in their chosen candidate.
Entire countries do it in 6 weeks when they know it’s happening well ahead of time and both candidates start campaigning 6 weeks ahead of time. That’s unfortunately not how US elections work.
Of course it was her ambition. But he went full senile during the campaign and then sat on it for another month. Then after he withdrew, his campaign advisors continued to fuck with her campaign. I don’t think she would have been the best candidate out of a primary but in that situation she was the best chance for another democratic presidency.
By him leaving it so late, there was really no other practical option. That’s 100% on Biden and the milquetoast establishment dems around him.
I have a very different read on the situation. I think what you saw with a split between Harris and Biden was the split in the Democratic Party. Harris and the people supporting her very much seemed like the Hillary Clinton wing of the party. They basically ran the same campaign she did. They appealed as hard as they could to conservatives. They cozied up heavily to billionaire Tech donors. They tried to push Progressive Politics As far aside as humanly possible. They were against people like Lena Khan. On the other hand I think the people surrounding Biden if not so much him himself, were the more Progressive wing of the party. A lot of the mechanisms put in by Biden’s agreements with Bernie Sanders were that part of the party that was forced out by Harris.
Edit: Also I would point out there was plenty of time to run a primary. That fiction that there wasn’t enough time is just what the party said so they could put their hand chosen candidate in.
They appealed as hard as they could to conservatives.
You mean with Clinton’s proposals to raise taxes on the rich 6 different ways? Or Harris proposal to raise taxes on corporations beyond what Biden did? I didn’t know that conservatives wanted to aggressively tax the rich. /s
I cannot think of one single policiy of Harris that was “designed to appeal to conservatives”. And since there were NO policy shifts designed to appeal to conservatives, her campaigning with Cheney was a very GOOD thing and not a bad thing at all, because Cheney’s support hilighted to the voters that Traitorapist Trump was a fascist. Nobody was stupid enough to think Cheney was endorsing Harris for any of her policies other than democracy and freedom.
Harris was a terrible candidate, but that was primarily because she didn’t use aggressive rhetoric against Traitorapist Trump. And yes being more progressive and supporting Medicare For All probably would have helped as well.
Harris didn’t, at least not alone; 2024 was a party platform problem.
US voters want to fight against the one party state … the Democrat/Republican Party
I’m eagerly waiting to see US voters fighting against Republicans, I’m not sure I’ve seen it in my whole adult life
fight rather than compromise
Why are there so many stupid people that can vote? Because that is how fascists and authoritarian governments get to grab power.
History has given us some of the best documented examples of how it can go terribly wrong. Specifically Hitler and how he first destroyed democracy. Every step Trump is taking is the same as Hitler did.
Hungary is another good case of how the right got into power and then changed laws to make it extremely unlikely they will ever be unseated.
Man I wish they’d get rid of this phony nerd routine this guy pulls with his idiotic rolled up sleeves and over the top presentation. Theres plenty of real data nerds out there who’d do a better job.
Big brain voters love AOC and Bernie and then somehow manage to vote third-party
Third party votes haven’t been relevant since Ross Perot. They are brought up as a distraction by failing Democratic candidates.
