Controversy

Memory transfer was a biological process proposed by James V. McConnell and others in the 1960s. Memory transfer proposes a chemical basis for memory termed memory RNA which can be passed down through flesh instead of an intact nervous system. Since RNA encodes information[1] living cells produce and modify RNA in reaction to external events, it might also be used in neurons to record stimuli.[2][3][4] This explained the results of McConnell’s experiments in which planarians retained memory of acquired information after regeneration. Memory transfer through memory RNA is not currently a well-accepted explanation and McConnell’s experiments proved to be largely irreproducible.[5]

In McConnell’s experiments, he classically conditioned planarians to contract their bodies upon exposure to light by pairing it with an electric shock.[6][5] The planarians retained this acquired information after being sliced and regenerated, even after multiple slicings to produce a planarian where none of the original trained planarian was present.[5] The same held true after the planarians were ground up and fed to untrained cannibalistic planarians, usually Dugesia dorotocephala.[5][7] As the nervous system was fragmented but the nucleic acids were not, this seemed to indicate the existence of memory RNA[5] but it was later suggested that only sensitization was transferred,[6] or that no transfer occurred and the effect was due to stress hormones in the donor or pheromone trails left on dirty lab glass.[2] However, other experiments seem to support the original findings in that some memories may be stored outside the brain.[1][8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_transfer

Current Science

https://journals.biologists.com/jeb/article/216/20/3799/11714/An-automated-training-paradigm-reveals-long-term

Planarian flatworms are a popular system for research into the molecular mechanisms that enable these complex organisms to regenerate their entire body, including the brain. Classical data suggest that they may also be capable of long-term memory. Thus, the planarian system may offer the unique opportunity to study brain regeneration and memory in the same animal. To establish a system for the investigation of the dynamics of memory in a regenerating brain, we developed a computerized training and testing paradigm that avoided the many issues that confounded previous, manual attempts to train planarians. We then used this new system to train flatworms in an environmental familiarization protocol. We show that worms exhibit environmental familiarization, and that this memory persists for at least 14 days – long enough for the brain to regenerate. We further show that trained, decapitated planarians exhibit evidence of memory retrieval in a savings paradigm after regenerating a new head. Our work establishes a foundation for objective, high-throughput assays in this molecularly tractable model system that will shed light on the fundamental interface between body patterning and stored memories. We propose planarians as key emerging model species for mechanistic investigations of the encoding of specific memories in biological tissues. Moreover, this system is lik ely to have important implications for the biomedicine of stem-cell-derived treatments of degenerative brain disorders in human adults.

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    Obviously these leeches are Reverend mothers who’ve undergone the spice agony to unlock their genetic memories.

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        Goddamn that’s so cool. Every single thing I read about Warhammer 40k makes me think that I would absolutely love this shit. It’s just so… daunting. I wouldn’t even know where to start in order to understand the lore.

        I have to resist the urge to jump down a rabbit hole after reading this:

        The Omophagea, also called the Remembrancer, is the 8th of the 19 genetically-engineered gene-seed organs that are implanted into a Space Marine Neophyte to produce a new superhuman Astartes.

        Now I want to know what the other 18 are…

        It allows the Astartes to gain part of an individual person’s or creature’s memory by eating its flesh.

        Metal af

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          I didn’t resist the urge and now I’m many layers deep in reading through this colossal wiki

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          The best way I’ve discovered 40k lore beyond hearing from a friend and some meme is Luetin09, which has a great narrator voice, consider his channel a huge audio library of alleged facts and stories.

          How to make a space Marines: https://youtu.be/whtHtyAy0Wo

          Also, I heavily recommend Arbitor Ian as he has both a nice presentation style, and also talks about the meta aspects (like how things evolved in the 40 years of 40K lore changing)

          The timeline of 40k in 20mn: https://youtu.be/05YRMHWtv1Y

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          For the universe start with the “First and Only”, for space marines I recommend “Brothers of the Snake” or “Horus Rising”

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            Thanks for the recs… I have noted the titles, and will add them to my ever growing list of books that I will probably never read.

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              I got a Kobo epub reader, made it way easier to just pick up a book when I have some spare time

    • I totally have memories of my ancestors being absolute badasses and influencing nearly all of human history. Put me in the machine and I’ll show you the way to the ark of the covenant so you can foolishly open it and melt your face.

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    If we could do emotional memory transfer then we wouldn’t need movies anymore.

    Movies are an indirect way of evoking emotions.

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    I remember reading that caterpillars can retain information like this when they metamorphose, during which they basically dissolve into a biological slush before becoming butterflies.

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      A lot of the structures are already there and the common conception of turning completely into goo and then reassembling isn’t correct.

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        It’s mostly correct. The only remaining structures are the imaginal discs, which can each be as few as 50 cells. There is also a link to some awesome pictures in there.

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        It couldn’t be just something easy, like turning into goo and back to solid again. No, it has to be something that makes the body horror in The Thing look like nothing but a scratch.

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    What are the chances, I just read this ‚fact‘ today in The Forever War by Joe Haldeman and was already kinda doubtful.

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    So what you are saying is that we should take any scientist that days, make a milkshake of them and feed the next batchnof scientists?

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      That’s what ended the super advanced lost civilizations. They all get advanced enough to figure out feeding scientists to younger scientists preserves knowledge and advances the pace of technological advancement.

      Problem is they didn’t know that it only works once and they ended up killing leaders of innovation and feeding them to children and forgot everything, leading to ruin.

      Read your Bibles people, its all in there.