Nah Lemmy would be bitching about Biden not cancelling student loan debt despite Trump judges being the ones blocking it.
“Status quo” wasn’t enough to get people off their asses. Well, we’re about to see the opposite of that. Congrats.
Biden gave it a shot, got stymied, and walked away. Hey, a weak attempt is better than nothing, but we sure would have liked to see him try harder. I don’t blame him for failing, but he certainly didn’t give it his all.
Walked away? He tried multiple angles to get at the same end goal, most of which are/were held up in court.
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This is maybe oversimplifying things, however - I will never fully understand how somebody hears a candidate talk only about who they will hurt first, while their opposition talks about how to help the most people…and the guy who wants to increase the human suffering wins.
I mean, logically, yeah I guess I can understand. But at the same time, I will never get it. :P
I come from an immigrant family. We came legally, sure. But the fight is the same: provide a better life and better opportunities for the next generation.
It blows my mind how someone can change this to paint the immigrant as bad. All while there are American citizen business men hiring the immigrants. Go after the business men?
I don’t get it. Wouldn’t people want to look past the place of birth and look into someone’s character? Surely a person fighting for a better life for their family is more honorable than a businessman looking to cut corners.
I’ve met conservatives with such deep hatred for “illegals” that I sincerely cannot understand where they’re coming from.
It’s all about fear. If the propagandists can play on your fears, you will learn to hate whoever they tell you to; but there’s also greed, which essentially is the fear of not having enough/more/whatever.
You see, money was not invented to be used as currency. Nor does it represent the “value of labor” or any of that crap. Money is fear made manifest. It only exists so that you will be afraid of not having enough. Even those sociopathic billionaires we all wanna eat only get that twisted and fucked up inside, just cause they’re still afraid of money, or at least that someone else might have more (I think? You have to be a completely useless shitheel to amass that much wealth).
And finally, lack of a sense of personal responsibility. So much easier if it’s someone else’s fault you didn’t make it big.
Oh, and the hatred of a conservative will never make sense. They have imported the thoughts and ideals of another whole cloth, all because they’re afraid of being on the losing team. There is no logic to such things; it’s a very insidious form of brainwashing.
They have been sold a lie that all the changes in their life have been the fault of immigrants, poor people, technology etc. The life they were promised doesn’t exist anymore and they fear change, and they are provided with a scapegoat be it immigration or so called liberals. It is easier to fear and hate something than to look at the truth. The wealthy and elite have been steadily taking more and more in their greed and lust for power.
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said:
"If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
This has just expanded a bit more to immigrants as well in recent decades.
The hubris is terrifying, is it not?
I mean where is the endgame? To be so consumed by fear/hatred (same thing) that you willfully set society on a path to destruction, but to convince yourself your pile of invisible coins will save you from the consequences of trying to live on a dying planet.
The endgame isn’t about what society has, it’s whatever makes the specific person comfortable.
The Democrats candidates talked at length about how they were tougher on immigration, more supportive of Israel’s genocide, and favoured by sadistic fascists like Dick Cheney. It was literally both parties arguing that they would be the ones to increase human suffering the most
Oh for fuck sake, really?
What the fuck ever; I’ll still take the side that talks less about causing harm. Or any option other than Mr Orange Weirdo. The senile shit stain answers every question with a list of people he needs to cause harm to.
No, the Democrats are not “the same”.
Also, maybe read the room and just delete your stupid account?
A both sides argument from a <24 hr old account.
Very compelling stuff.
More compelling than your lazy ad-hominem
Just pointing out facts my friend. I find it odd you feel attacked though.
Oh please, spare me the smug redditisms
Oh honey, go back to hexbear.
Why did you even leave Reddit?
All of this is just a distraction anyway. It’s rich vs poor always has been. We have a huge group of people that should really be allies but are brainwashed against their own interests. It’s easy to say they’re on the wrong side but we should really be looking to mend the divide in ways that we can rather than further it by stating how morally superior we are.
This rich vs. poor thing would be a hell of a lot more believable if there weren’t so many poor people who were gigantic fucking bigots.
How do you mend a divide between people who exist and people who hate their existence?
Of course rich folk will look for allies among poor folk. Play off the people against each other. This strategy is centuries old … no wait, millennia old.
You don’t mend a divide. That’s pointing to the divide as the problem, when the real problem is discrimination.
No, the real problem is hatred. Bigots hate the people they are bigoted against. That is not a rich vs. poor thing. I’ve gotten attacked by more than one poor bigot. Plenty of people from minority communities have.
This whole idea where everyone but the rich will get together and sing kumbaya and then win the class war and create a utopia is ridiculously naive and, as far as I can think, only comes from people who have never had a bigot get into their face and hate them because of who they are.
by attacking the media structures and funding that manipulate them. (this is not a fix all solution. obviously. but it is taking action against the most materially funded arm of the propagation of conservative values. i hope it can be one of many tools leftists use to push for justice and dignity.)
Their parents manipulate them.
The “media structures” aren’t the ones telling them to yell the F- word at queer people or just straight up murder them.
Do you think it’s a coincidence our media is full of low quality “Woke Shit” that pretends to be progressive but is just the “Worst of Rainbow Capitalism”
That was those bastards manufacturing consent. “Sorry guys, we have to censor your media the gays made us do it!”
Do you really think bigots would somehow disappear if the media disappeared?
Bigotry has existed since the first proto-hominid caved in the head of the other proto-hominid on the other side of the hill because his fur was a different shade of brown.
There’s not some magical point where everyone will live in harmony and unite against the rich.
Nope, but it wouldn’t be at THIS level. We somehow went from “Mainstream Trans Acceptance” to “Democrats thirst for Transblood because it’s THEIR fault Trump won! Because they were playing women’s sports while diddling people in the bathroom!” over-fucking-night.
When did we have mainstream trans acceptance? I’d love to hear about that utopian era.
in a crazy twist, both parents and conservative media exist. and what world do you live in? i see conservative media call for homophobia and homophobic violence all the fucking time.
And those parents would still exist regardless.
More to the point, these bigots exist right now.
You want queer people and people of color to make up with people who would literally kill them because they’re both not rich. Do you think that’s what those bigots want? Do you think if a queer couple went over to some violent queerphobe’s home in a trailer park with a bouquet of flowers it would go well for them?
Do you know how many queer people are murdered in the U.S. every year? Here’s a link to the 2024 list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBTQ_people_in_the_United_States#2024
It’s not the billionaires doing the murdering.
I offered a systemic solution to one element of a systemic problem and now you are getting angry at me that my single-faceted solution doesn’t cover every minute facet of social change. I am sorry that you cannot accept a single marginal suggestion without going into full on rage mode. Ending the conversation here.
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Agreed. It’s uncanny how no news source wants to call out the class divide and instead focuses on the partisan divide
It’s not that strange when you consider they are a major tool in the class war. We do still have elections, and so whoever the ownership class can’t buy they need to have their outlets convince us not to vote for.
There is no “unbiased” media when it’s corporate media.
When they stop trying to hurt my friends, I’ll be the first to present an olive branch. Yes, we should create class solidarity, but you can educate the willfully ignorant.
Yeah but the she-devil Kamala supports post-birth abortions.
- a family member
they don’t even fucking know what abortion means.
I wish this was an exaggeration
yeah, i mean it’s obvious because they keep saying aborting babies which semantically don’t make sense. abortion refers to aborting the pregnancy. post-birth abortion is an oxymoron because there is no pregnancy post-birth.
Right. They’re willing to believe doctors are slitting infants’ throats in order to justify their worldview. They don’t even question if that’s happening. A long time ago some woman on Facebook told me some absurd number of abortions that were happening every year. When I did the math, I found that if her number was true, that would mean literally on average, 40% of every woman on the planet capable of being pregnant was getting pregnant AND having an abortion. Every fucking year.
When I pointed that out to her, she basically shrugged and reiterated that it didn’t matter about specifics, so many children were being murdered that it had to be the top priority to stop it.
How the fuck do you talk sense into someone willing to believe something absurd and then when basic math illustrates that the belief is absurd, they couldn’t care less?
You can’t logic people out of an opinion they didn’t logic themselves into, or however that saying goes. these women will get their own abortion when they need it and still spit on the doctor and call the other patients whores literally on their way out of the clinic.
Yeah, I guess I was naive. I didn’t expect this woman to change her whole view on the spot. But I just found it stunning that she could know she was spreading an absolute lie without a doubt and be completely unfazed
You don’t. You can’t out-crazy them with logic. It’s a fruitless endeavor.
I too support post birth abortions of healthcare CEOs
My Catholic-ass mom reads a Catholic-ass newspaper and recently told me with complete confidence that Hillary Clinton was the “partial-birth abortion queen”. How do you even have a conversation with someone who’s ingested so much propaganda?
Gift them a birthing bed with a built in guillotine?
Jokes aside, this is why we should bring back fire bombs.
“She can’t even string a sentence together”, said after her town hall late in the campaign.
It’s like they never fucking listened to a single Trump rally.
Say what you will about Trump he can definitely string a sentence together, hell he can’t help himself from stringing 20 into one.
Oh ya, they call that the"weaving" effect, as if it’s some sort of special talent just for him. He can masterfully start talking, go off on twenty different subjects, and have them all flow together perfectly in his conclusion.
Sure, this can be done. Not by him.
Yeah that’s not a special talent, that’s something people with adhd have to learn not to do
I take medication every day of my life in order to NOT do exactly that.
Exactly, when I can do it I can’t drive safely or pay attention
Wouldn’t opposing post-birth abortions mean more gun control?
Sadly, a lot of them voted for Trump because they think he’s going to “fix it”. The sad thing is they just trust him to figure it out once in office.
Well according to Americans a guy with “concepts of a plan” is apparently more qualified than any woman ever, that’s what I learned from 2016 and 2024…
Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris != Why women ever
America has made it clear, they’d rather elect Literally Hitler over Ima Woe Mann.
Ok, but that’s just vacuous hyperbole
Trump’s one of the most reviled and universally hated figures in American History
He won Presidency twice over qualified female candidates
Trump’s one of the most reviled and universally hated figures in American History
See what I mean about vacuous hyperbole?
He won Presidency twice over qualified female candidates
Two shitty neoliberal ghouls do not represent the length and breadth of the female gender
Obama won his senate seat because his opponent had an affair. Everyone said he was too young, but then he went on to beat Hillary and McCain.
Bill Clinton won the democratic primary because everyone thought Heart was going to win, then HE had an affair. Everyone said he was too young, but then he went on to beat Bush.
Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden won their primary because “IT WAS THEIR TURN”. Biden only won because Republican rigged it to suppress mail in voting, but that suppressed the wrong group in the wake of COVID. I think we all have our theories on Harris. My point: I think it is time for someone that isn’t “THEIR TURN” to become our next nominee.
Biden won the highest turnout election in more than a century, and Al Gore’s win was stolen by the Bush clique. This is gross reframing or even reimagining of events to suit your narrative.
Al Gore is not like the others. Yes you might say he became the nominee because it was his turn. But, he also had extremely good policy ideas that were very different from “not being Trump “.
And he won both the popular and electoral votes
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You still don’t understand that this isn’t about left vs right, Red vs Blue, old Vs young, black Vs white.
While there are still people who are dying or just existing just to prop up the wealth of a few people then we all lose.
I think you’ve misunderstood me because I agree with you 100% on that. Though I would argue that that IS left vs right.
We have the same issue in my country with conservative vs labour. They are two sides of the same coin really.
The Democrats are never able to pass these things while they’re in power, though.
Like yes there is Obamacare and some loan forgiveness, but it’s drops in the bucket compared to what Republicans are cooking up with Project 2025
That’s not the full picture, the republicans house and senate votes have a clear history of obstructionism for the last 30 years
Just look at any vote after George HW Bush and then compare that to public sentiment about what they are voting on.
Yeah, they can get project 2025 done because they brainwashed half of society to support them.
I agree with you that Republicans have been big on obstructionism. And Democrats have never taken serious steps to deal with it, because corporate Democrats like the obstructionism. They want to pretend to be left wing, but if they actually had to pass left-wing policies, that would piss off their corporate funders. Obviously this is a vast simplification, but I think the best example was Obama pushing for the ACA instead of NHS. You can argue that it would have been hard to get NHS through, but it would have solved the problems that are even bigger now than they were 10 years ago. No way big pharma was going to allow that. There’s too much money to be made when you sell insurance and then allow your customers to die anyway.
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Then present a better option. Vote in the primaries. Start building support for a good 3rd party. Fucking hell start building a socialist revolution! Do something other than not voting and calling it a day
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Hey dude, listing off a couple blue dogs and then saying random fucking words doesnt mean anything.
They’re not randomly listed. They intentionally serve as spoilers to progressive legislation.
Did I say the blue dogs were listed off randomly? Or did I say what came after was more or less random? Throwing put buzzwords is random, even if folks in the ingroup understand it is still random.
Okay buddy!
I mean not to feed into the us vs. them mentality, but… it’s kind of obvious we’re better than them on a spiritual level at this point…
Nah I think a lot of people would also be gloating, like obviously fuck trump, Kamala would have been better, they’d be gloating too
Only reason Kamala was better is the simple fact she isn’t actively trying to overthrow the government
The only?
Not being literally perfect makes you the worst possible option to many leftists
Pretty disgusting to boil down peoples rightful criticism of Harris’ support of genocide to just her “not being perfect”
Not remotely what I did and nobody was talking about that specific issue in the comment chain I replied to.
Also still better than Trump but I guess you’re just not intelligent enough for that. I’m not going to waste more time trying to explain that, someone else can try.
Any continuation of Biden like policies is actually pretty damn good.
Apparently it’s “trolling” to think that continuation of Bidens genocidal policy in Gaza isn’t “pretty damn good”
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In comparison, maybe.
No it’s pretty good. Green energy, non competes being banned, student loan forgiveness, etc. As always Dems don’t get the credit.
Just like I said elsewhere; if it’s not literally perfect, it’s just not good enough.
Bidens policies were a lot worse than “not literally perfect”
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they would be celebrating the money
money makes humans forget about humanity
a nation of killers might be the one thing worse than a nation of slavers though they tend to work together
Who is this referring to, both those being killed and those celebrating it?
Liberals and fascists.
Fascist are celebrating how many liberals they’ll get to kill? What’s that referring to?
I was wondering that too. Not arguing or denying, just not sure what they’re referring to.
Trump and his stated goals of ushering in American fascism.
Did they come out with a plan to kill people or what’s this more specifically about?
Are you serious? Do you listen to what maga Republicans say? Musk saying “it’s a battle to the death with the woke mind virus”, trump wanting to put Liz Cheny in front of a firing squad, it goes on and on. And since I doubt you’re asking this in good faith, but for anyone else reading, here’s one of the most conservative writers out there talking about maga violence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/18/opinion/magas-violent-threats-are-warping-life-in-america.html
Do you listen to what maga Republicans say?
Not really?
And since I doubt you’re asking this in good faith
Why? Should we all just know these things without asking or what?
I don’t know why you would celebrate something that was never promised and unlikely to happen.
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What a stupid thing to type.
The brainwashing is real
Vegans
???
I just think it’s amusing how many aggressively stupid people are openly vegan.
Oh ok. I guess if that’s your experience. It just seemed like a weird thing to bring up on a completely unrelated topic. It gave me the impression that you combed through this person’s post history and used it as an opportunity to bash vegans for no reason other than personal grievance.
Yeah that’s a completely fair impression.
No, I looked at their profile to just see what I could see. I didn’t look very far until I found a comment wherein they were discussing dealing with “carnists” in that ‘holier-than-thou’ tone vegans tend to adopt.
To be fair, I should not judge all vegans based on the idiots.
