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    Just check their comment history for like 30 seconds. Everyone makes a joke that misses the mark every now and then, but the shittiest people usually constantly spew their nonsense.

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        I don’t find it creepy to read a person’s posts that were willingly submitted to a public forum.

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          If you just browse through your home feed, sure. But actively going out of your way to see someone’s comment or post history because you don’t agree with what they said is childish and frankly a bit concerning. It really shows your character.

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            Wow, hmm… This is such a good comment to shitpost under but I’m not sure what angle to take. The fact you seem to be upset people publicly can get on a public website in public and look at the public posts the user posted in a public forum in public is a good one. But also the whole “just because they said a bunch of shit about hating the Jews doesn’t mean you should look at their post history you creep!” is a good one too. Now though, Im just wondering what you have to hide? So… I guess let’s take a look at your post history 🤷

            Edit: Ohhhh… I found it everyone. He/she/they/zem doesn’t want people to know they don’t like LGBT people that much.

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              Oh trust me, if you do look through mine (which I also don’t see the point of) you won’t find much, just me talking shit about android apps

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                And also that time you refused to finish a book series because it had a gay and a nonbinary character in it

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                That’s not all you’ll find now is it? Apparently you don’t have the greatest view in LGBT people? I’m a shitposter, but not a prick. So I genuinely would like to know your controversial opinions on LGBT and give you the space to say your opinions and defend them. Like why is Pride Month “unwarranted”?

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            In the context of the meme shared by OP, we’re talking about things that go a bit beyond the scope of stuff we don’t disagree with. Like things that right wing extremists would say

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            I do it all the time. I mainly do it to make sure I’m not arguing against a literal child. There’s many reasons why one might look at a person’s post history.

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              I never do, in fact I’m really surprised that a forum that’s supposedly all about privacy doesn’t offer something as simple as hiding profiles.

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        Definitely do. Sometimes it’s the only way to know whether someone just had one bad take, or if they’re genuinely awful and not worth your time to reply to

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      Dont tell me how to shitpost. If I want extra spicy ill get banned doing it

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      Define punching down.

      Is it economic power? 400e minimum wage here

      Is it history? 400 years of Asian/African colonialism

      Privilege? Amazon, any official manufacturer site and PayPal don’t work here. We just got Google Pay and Apple Pay.

      Slavery? The word slave originates from the word Slav and we had nothing to do with colonialism.

      I’m a white European and I am way less privileged than any US minority, technically we Slavs are also POC in the US.

      So I technically can’t punch down on Americans. These kinds of things are dumb since you can’t know someone’s ethnicity, race, sex, country, etc. online.

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        So I technically can’t punch down on Americans

        Black trans women in the United States are routinely assaulted and raped and have an HIV+ rate of 60%. You sure about that?

        My point is that targeting vulnerable groups for humor isn’t funny, it’s just bullying and it’s sad. It shouldn’t be a controversial point.

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    Poe’s Law. Without a sarcasm tag it’s impossible to know if the person is being sarcastic or is that extreme.

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    The shit posters drive a wedge in a community and the people who don’t like the “innocent” jokes leave. This makes fertile ground for ideological take over. Rinse and repeat in Fandoms, subreddits, message boards, etc.

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    Respectfully mention that it’s kinda insensitive, kinda like, “hey man, don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive?” and you’ll probably figure out fairly quickly which one is the answer. Additionally, if they legit don’t know why it’s insensitive, then you can educate them!

    Just remember that tone can be difficult to convey on the internet, and sometimes you have to exaggerate the intended tone for it to be understood. Additionally, in my experience, asking the question from the other person’s perspective (“don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive” vs “I think that’s kinda insensitive”) seems to help a lot.

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      I hate concern trolls even more than I do being confused with a nazi, and I’m pretty average so ymmv

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      How about just deal with it? Internet is meant to be free space, that includes racists, bigots, rednecks, people you disagree with.

      Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.

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        Yeah, no. The Internet isn’t meant to be a safe space for bigots. They’re free to post and everyone else is free to chase them back under the rock where they belong.

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            And had it pointed out they’re free to post …just not free from consequences.

            Unleash the kevins.

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              and this is where the conversation usually devolves into a hate fuck of everyone actually agreeing but they used the wrong words so I’m all in on you being the bad guy now.

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        Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.

        I don’t think you’ve read either book because that analogy makes absolutely no sense.

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          I’ll make the analogy more clear to you. In 1984 the government got absolute information control, thats what you guys are worried about. In Fahrenheit 451 people themselves censored everything that offended anyone, eventually leading to all the books being burnt.

          People have opinions, and lemmy is becoming a worse echochamber than reddit.

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            Except the irony here is that the people we don’t want here are those offended by everything, like different people existing, and are also the one banning books. most people aren’t as easily offended as you make out to be, but most people expect jokes and behavior to be done in good taste, which translates to meaning no harms and no hate. only extremists of all sorts usually break that “rule”.

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        My brother in Christ, you are conflating free speech with the freedom from consequences. You are free to express your opinions. You will not be arrested for that. You can use the internet however you wish to express whatever opinions you have, no matter how stupid or hateful they are.

        However, if your opinion sucks, the community will “deal with it” by down voting your dumb ass, and if you piss enough people off, you’ll get banned. Your rights have not been infringed. You’re just an asshole and people don’t want to listen to you anymore. You can freely go complain about it somewhere else.

        I’m sure there is a community on the Internet that would welcome your shitty opinions into their little echo chamber. Go there if you don’t like it here. Or, as you say: “deal with it”.

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        “but why can’t I say offensive shit, it’s so funny every single time”

        It’s not, edgy humor is stale especially the likes of 4chan

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        Nobody on the left is burning books if you’d look outside your bunker asshole.

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          Nobody on the right is either lmao. People who think this shit are reaching as far as the Q lunatics.

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        People have the right to say what they want (at least in the US, mostly), which includes people voicing their disagreement with stuff. It’s a two-way street and we’re better off with it that way. You can’t force someone to listen to you, just like someone can’t force you to listen to them.

        What you can do, however, is attempt to educate people if they’re willing to be educated. If successful in doing so, you help decrease the amount of bigotry that exists. In my opinion, attempting to engage with an individual to determine their intent is a way of dealing with it. Why stay silent when you could help make the world a better place?

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        Hey, leave rednecks out of it, the real ones mostly whant to be left alone and the more political ones are just syndicalist and pro workers rights. The nazi ones are city dwellers that own small dick energy trucks.

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          Man I know lots of small town rednecks and none of them are pro workers rights.

          They’ve all been fooled into believing trickle down economics and at least half are anti vaxxers and while most aren’t vocal about LGBT stuff they all roll their eyes and wouldn’t give a shit if trans people were crucified. Oh and they all have oversized trucks just like every redneck does.

          I don’t know where this idea of good rednecks comes from, there’s plenty of good people but they aren’t rednecks.

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            Well fuck them i guess. Might as well label every single person that lives in rural areas your enemy if you are gonna generalize that much.

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              I guess I wasn’t clear enough in my last sentence, so me spell it out for you:

              There’s plenty of good people in rural areas but they aren’t rednecks.

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                Nah, I’m not letting the racists claim redneck. I’m not letting them take Jeff Foxworthy

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                You wherent, you said good people cannot be rednecks, i.e. rural people. But wathever i dont whanna keep arguing about this. Just dont hate people because they have a rural lifestile, Ok?

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          I didn’t knew that about good rednecks! I only knew it about the good skinheads. But, today I learned…

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    My days on the Opie and Anthony reddit has given me good tone reading.

    Fun racism and non fun racism. If it’s ugly in tone they’re racist. Remember Patrice or maybe Louis ck joking about how “jew” is both the normal term for Jewish people and the slur depending on the tone of how you say it. Reminds me of that but harder to tell with text.

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      “louie Louie Louie loooooieeeee!”

      I miss his FX show. He’s a great comedian. Glad he came out and apologized and even made fun of himself a bit. I don’t believe in eternal damnation of public figures like that unless people get physically harmed.

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        I never understood the backlash on this one. He had their consent, and he wasn’t even their boss or anything. He was also younger and not as famous. Asking coworkers for sexual stuff is weird af, but is about it. They consented, so I guess he read the room correctly back then.

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          They consented to what they thought was a poor attempt at humor from someone in a position of power over them, boss or not, and then often were blocked in the room while he did it, y’know, against their consent.

          I really hope that’s not your only understanding of how “consent” works when you’re peer pressured by a hero in a position of power over you.

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            In what fucking universe does the director of an absolute bomb have power over a lifelong actress?

            Louie right after the disaster of pootie pie was quite a bit different than Louie at the height of his career.

            It was a weird moment, and it is tangentially related since he is an example of a guy who got inordinately horny the moment he felt a connection with a woman he felt was a kindred, but what happened with Louie is quite a bit different than what happened with Weinstein or Cosby. It’s quite arguable that he had less power in that exchange.

            That people mix these things up says something about society but I’m not sure what.

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            Never heard anything about being blocked in the room, I would appreciate the sources on this if you have them. Also, I would appreciate if you could elaborate what power exactly he had on anyone at this point.

            No need to be snarky about my definition of “consent”, obviously we disagree on the dynamic of the situation, not the definition of consent.

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      Oh man. That subreddit was a fucking trip. I followed it for a while, and couldn’t believe how the hosts would interact with them. Some absolute crazy people on that sub

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    Tbh this is what I love with (uncensored) internet. It’s hard to draw the line between sarcasm and mental illness.

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        Well, Nazi existed before the internet and would exist without it. They didn’t wait for the internet to enable themselves. There can’t be zero downside for having a 100% free platform, I do agree.

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          Yeah but Nazism spread via propaganda, which is what dogwhistling is a form of.

          The Internet is the largest spreader of propaganda that humanity has ever seen, so it’s not surprising that it helped revitalize neo-nazism and fascism is general. It also served to make satire and actual radicalized behavior harder to detect. A lot of the time, 4chan boards use this “edgy satire” format to normalize the behavior (to an extent). See: the “MAP” misinformation campaign they did and how it reinforced actual pedophilia and demonized LGBT groups

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          Are you completely oblivious to the rise of right wing ideology the last 10-15+ years? The internet has 100% enabled it.

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        Nah. Your definition of a Nazi is just anyone right of Mao. This place seems to be where the tankies went after getting banned from Reddit for encouraging violence toward people who don’t want to slob on government’s massive boot.

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          Lemmy seems to be more middle-left with just a few vocal extremists on both sides, actually. If anything the largest ‘extreme’ group i’ve seen here is anarchists, kind of the opposite of communists lol.

          And the groups that do turn into a bunch of ‘tankies’ (slowly stares at Lemmygrad) have been defedrated across almost the entire fediverse…

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            I think you’re correct honestly but with Lemmygrad defederated like the exploding-heads people they surely make mainstream accounts for the sake of their lunacy being interacted with.

            Maybe it’s my instance of choice but I sure do see a ton of people with authoritarian views pretending they’re just simply leftists when they’re just as unhinged as Qtards.

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              This instance (lemmy.ml) is one that still federates with lemmygrad, last I noticed. Even then, although the number of unhinged tankies I see here is non-zero, it still isn’t large. (In fact, it’s mainly one particular user that stands out. Y-something, with a name using a bunch of stylized high-unicode characters.)

              When I’m on lemmy.world, which I think has defederated from lemmygrad, I pretty much don’t see them at all.

              Frankly, I don’t think they’re bothering to try to insert themselves in lemmy.world.

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            “Both sides”

            -_-

            Also anarchists are pretty opposed to Marxism-Leninism, not communism in general.

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    Shitposters are definitely not innocent.

    I would also replace it with trolls because comments in that territory are consistently on or over the line.

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    And that’s how I got banned from Reddit by making offensive jokes.

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      The extreme right and I disagree on whether I should live, just a casual difference of opinion.

      Or… no. Fuck that, fuck them, and fuck you?! Let’s go with option 2.

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        Remember when the nazis stopped genociding people when they were asked to stop being mean? Like, apparently the existence of some groups is something we can “agree to disagree” on.

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    This is why I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I’d rather look naive than make uptight assumptions. Plus, I’m a reddit refugee, and I’ve HAD IT with pedants and the rampant holier-than-thou crap.