I stayed at an Airbnb recently And I was curious what the actual value of it was so I looked it up on Zillow. Sold in 2015 for 350k, sold again in 2022 for $750k, now listed for sale 1.2 million. It’s a cabin in North Carolina, literally nothing special. I remember back before 2020 there was tons of mountain and cabins and homes and stuff like that anywhere from 2:50 to 500K. Now you won’t find a single one less than 800k…
Regular homes are just as bad. I’m seeing homes in my area that sold for around $200 to 300K in 2019, now they are 500k and above. I don’t understand how this makes any sense? Salaries were not doubled, but somehow the price of all homes are now twice as much. Is this some sort of cost fixing scheme by the real estate industry to just drive up the price of homes and double them or something? Because it doesn’t really make sense to me I guess.
I remember back before 2020 there was tons of mountain and cabins and homes and stuff like that anywhere from 2:50 to 500K. Now you won’t find a single one less than 800k…
WFH and good satellite internet were a bit of a game changer here. You could now live in a remote place and work a job with a high income.
Regular homes are just as bad. I’m seeing homes in my area that sold for around $200 to 300K in 2019, now they are 500k and above.
Supply and demand here. There aren’t enough houses being build for people (and private investors) that want to buy them. The price rises.
I don’t understand how this makes any sense? Salaries were not doubled, but somehow the price of all homes are now twice as much.
Lots to unpack with this one. First, some people’s salaries were doubled. There has been some niche sectors of industry that have seen large year over year increases in income, specifically some STEM fields. Second, housing price rises are not linear across all pricepoints. The cheaper house are going up significantly faster than more expensive homes. Why? Because there are more people shopping at the lower pricepoints. When we bought our new-to-us house a few years ago buying a house $150k more expensive than the house were were living in got us very little more house. However, buying a house $250k more expensive got a lot more house (larger, better neighborhood, more outside space, etc).
Investors.
China’s entire modern “economic miracle” is founded on housing as an investment vehicle.
You can in part blame Canadian Conservatives in BC, specifically Bill Vanderzam, Christy Clark, Gordon Campbell and Kevin Falcon; as well as federally, Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper, for importing this behaviour and concept from Asia and its rise here. Initially in the late 1980s and early 1990s it was about attracting the elite of Hong Kong, who were afraid of what the handover of Hong Kong to the CCP would mean. (And rightly so, as it turns out.)
Vancouver BC is infamously unaffordable, and its entirely because of investors, both national and international using its real estate as a ridiculously effective investment vehicle. If you had purchased a home in the suburbs for 500k in 2006, that home would be worth well over 2 to even 3 million dollars today.
When Vancouver started capping out and hitting limits investors moved on to apply the same practices all over the continent.
AirBnBs are one reason. My wife’s home town is trying to pass a law regarding short term rentals because close to half of the houses in town are airbnbs. A developer started to build a new housing development specifically to be bnbs.
Another reason is corporations are buying property as investments.
I stayed at an Airbnb …
That’s why.
What if It’s only listed as an Airbnb because they can’t sell it though? It’s been listed on the market, and it has not sold obviously. What else would you do with a home that you’re not living in and you’re actively trying to sell? That’s what’s not really making sense to me. For example say I have a vacation home in Pennsylvania or something like that. I put it on the market for the valuation that it has, 500k, hundreds of other homes just like that, no one’s buying it for months and months and months… But I’m still paying for it. What exactly is wrong with putting it on Airbnb?
Or maybe the valuation is bullshit? Naaaah, couldnt be…
Nothing is /wrong/ but without airbnb you’d probably drop the price or offer other incentives to buyers. Now that you can easily just rent it, why sell it all really. You’re making more than you were not renting it so you can just hold on until the market meets you where you want it to be instead of where it’s at. This help props up the price of real estate and decreases downward corrections in housing prices.
Quick, everybody down vote op for asking a question
The answer is always speculation investment. People are on average richer and real estate is the only trully limited economic resource as we have limited land especially in desired locations.
Seriously lookup how much of real estate is uninhabitable.
People are richer, the tech is better and everything we know about economy would indicate that real estate should be more accessible but that’s not the case because the market is manipulated.
The best part? If you invest in a stock index you’ll almost always out do real estate ownership almost anywhere in developed world. So people are hustling this stupid game while they could just sit back and watch money do money things.
Because houses past your primary residence are not taxed enough. Houses you own should be taxed at an exponential rate. Primary residence means you live there >80pct of the year.
I get roasted for this every time I mention it because I think people on sites like this generally fit in this category and feel personally attacked, but I honestly believe a large part of it is from WFH becoming more widespread during COVID. People were able to leave the large cities where their jobs were all located and could move wherever they wanted to so that competition for housing drives prices way way up. The few friends I do have all work in software development and all moved during COVID away from their offices and into houses. They all had a similar story “the realtor told me any house that’s on the market for more than 5 days (that’s crazy crazy short) has a major issue, stay away from those.”
Tie that into the expansion of investment companies buying houses with the intent of renting them forever and the NIMBYism that keeps new construction from being made because “My PrOpErTy VaLuE!” and it’s just a recipe for disaster…
I hate that I’m going to be stuck renting someone’s garage or basement and paying their mortgage in rent prices for the rest of my life…
Except the rapid real estate inflation started years before COVID. WFH may play a part but it’s hardly a major reason.
But apartments in the middle of cities are more expensive than ever
Yes, people from cities moving to rural towns does impact housing prices which should be a net benefit for the town as it bring in income from outside. It could be a negative when the volume of outsiders is high enough to displace long term residents, but in a vacuum people moving into an area that isn’t overpopulated already should be a good thing.
Now outsiders moving in, then buying up homes to make into BnBs, plus companies buying up homes combined is probably going to cause problems for existing residents and maybe that is what people are pushing back on. Being one part of a larger problem that wouldn’t be a problem if only their part was happening.
Yes, people from cities moving to rural towns does impact housing prices which should be a net benefit for the town as it bring in income from outside. It could be a negative when the volume of outsiders is high enough to displace long term residents, but in a vacuum people moving into an area that isn’t overpopulated already should be a good thing.
It’s absolutely a negative for those in the area. I’m literally priced out of the entirety of long Island now. There is literally nowhere I can afford that isn’t in an uninsurable flood zone and I’m too “worthless” to move. Anywhere with work for someone like me is just a shithole city so I just move from renting to renting in a worse environment. :/
TIL Long Island is a rural town.
I stayed at an Airbnb
Nothing funnier than source of the problem complaining about the problem :D
I feel the main reason is corporate entry into the market. Foreign and domestic. The ROI is larger on real estate than any other investment.
It varies by region and country but the big underlying factor is not enough new homes are being built. It’s creating an artificial scarcity which is driving up prices. Some other factors come into play depending on where you live. For example, I’ve read in America that a lot of the homes are being bought by trust funds and big corporations that can just overbid everyone. Now there are even less viable homes to sell. Here in Canada, we have a big problem where our federal government brought in a large amount of immigrants for its Temporary Foreign Worker program and its foreign student programs which created a big spike in population, especially in the major cities. The local governments are responsible for house building and didn’t do anything about accommodating a bigger population despite them knowing it was coming.
- for its* Temporary Foreign Worker program
- and its* foreign student programs
Corrected, thank you person with the best and most relevant username :).
mixture of housing supply shortage, empty homes, fucked investments, a bit of zoning laws, and nimbyism, and airbnb
housing supply shortage
younger generations want to live in cities because thats where both employment and “fun” is reletively speaking. the demand is very high for limited space.
empty homes
in some areas, there are homes that are completely empty, some due to negligence, inheritance and some just to artificially decrease supply. to put an example, San Jose, CA legitimately has more empty homes than it does homeless.
fucked investments/nimbyism
some people see housing as an investment instead of putting it into stocks. the investments keeps proces high because its seen as profit rather than a basic necessity to live. people who own houses will use all their power to prevent more houses to be built because more home lowers procing because of more supply.
zoning laws
some places, they restrict building to strictly residential or strictly commercial building. as WFH becomes more mainstream more land needs to be made as residential land. or remove the zoning alltogether
airbnb
airbnb gets you more money in popular areas. it takes away a potenial home for a local worker in favor for maximum investments, which is bad for the city, because it circumvents hotel taxes, and takes away potential income tax from someone who would have lived and worked in the area.
The answer is very location dependent, and often multifaceted. However here in Canada it’s a combination of neglecting affordable housing construction for decades, a huge uptick in immigration raising demand in some areas, a total lack of political willpower (most of our MPs report housing income, many actual landlords), and an economy that’s over-leveraged on real estate in general.
Crime.
Housing shortage - not building enough homes. More people. Costs to build rising.
Prices are falling in Florida, and inventory is stacking up.
My home value hasn’t started falling yet, according to Zillow, but the appreciation seems to have leveled off.
