He’d give up on Ukraine. And call it a win.
“Winning the battle is worth losing the war”
(Trump, The Art of the Deal, pp. 179-181)
“I could make a deal with Hitler to stop this war tomorrow!”
Yeah pretty much.
Aka appeasement. We tried it Donny. Though this time it’s Trump who wants to be dictator.
Trump doesn’t care so long as Russia keeps paying him.
That’s a short sentence for that many pages. I knew it was in big print, but…
It’s illustrated so his voters can understand the book
From the chapter: “Yeah, but remember that one time…”
The Jews would have had peace if they’d just let themselves be taken to camps peacefully.
This is less funny because Russia literally did commit a holocaust in Ukraine.
or maybe extort them again.
Yea, that infuriated me.
He didn’t answer a single fucking question about anything, just ranted about illegals eating pets the whole time.
He is outing gop for eating pets. He just needs to do it under the radar.
Remember every blame the throw around is admission on their part.
Suddenly ol’ brainworrm endorsing Trump makes sense!
This is why I don’t watch the debate. I know it’ll just piss me off because he won’t say anything but crazy shit.
It was great seeing Kamala get under his skin. The reaction cams were really fun seeing Kamala react like a normal human to his insane rantings and him just smoldering and getting angrier and angrier when she hit back
My favorite was when she clearly (very clearly IMO) seemed about to say “…but this motherfucker…” and restrained herself.
Omg I forgot about that moment!
trump:
But it was so crazy that it was incredibly funny. I was doing paraphrases of a lot of his responses in the pinned debate thread in c/news if you’re curious.
The thing is, it isn’t actually funny. we can laugh at the old racist piece of shit criminal but it is actually quite sad and makes me angry that this is where we are.
Yeah I’ll look back and laugh if he loses
I’ll have to check it out! I do enjoy seeing the highlights and memes afterwards lol.
I was looking forward to what he was going to say about why he blocked the border bill. As expected, he chose to immediately talk about something else.
First time?
Let’s not forget: it appears that JD Vance may be the originator of that whole farce.
In which case, Trump touted it because either a) they honestly think it is good propaganda which will sway the campaign, or b) Trump is quite literally eating his own dog food, because there are too many lies to keep track of.
Trump said during the debate that her vp pick was insane. I lol’d
Well, every accusation is a confession with them.
So weird…
Don’t worry, when Kamala catches and imprisons those illegals she will do transgender surgeries on them
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Translated : I don’t know shit, so you can’t know shit. Corporations are gouging my shit, and I mad at Democrats for it.
I think the proper translation is “Da, let us argue amongst ourselves comrades. American pig dogs do not understand Mother Russia.”
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Lol. Nice one
Welcome to my block list.
Lol. Yeah, exclude opposing opinions, go live in your liberal echo chamber
This isn’t an opinion it’s word vomit lol
Lol. And this is just an ad hominem attack. Not my fault you only understand opposing opinions as “word vomit”
Lol. Yeah, exclude
opposing opinionsobnoxious, idiotic noise, go live in your liberal echo chamberFTFY
Also, why do you have such a hardon for Trump when you aren’t an American?
How’d you know I wasn’t American?
First, a dozen eggs don’t cost twelve dollars.
Second, in America the currency indicator comes before the number.
Third, “distugested” that’s one hell of a typo
Sounds like a guy who thinks you need a license to buy a loaf of bread.
Why do people think a dozen eggs costs $12?
A quick search turned up this 18 count of eggs for $9 at our local chain. And that was just the first result I found that had the price on the page (you have to click a button to see it, unfortunately, but it is there).
Holy shit that’s a lot for eggs.
At Ralph’s 12 cage free large eggs cost $3.99
Free range (the most expensive if you are conscious about chicken treatment) large eggs are for $7.49
It’s literally on the other side of the planet.
Lol and there’s just no way to get information about something happening on the other side of the planet. Why, it takes our square-riggers six months to sail from there to here!
How is supporting Ukraine related to the egg shortage caused by avian flu?
*Narrator:* It’s not.
I’m hoping Ukraine wins because I’m against imperialism and I respect the sovereignty of other nations. Pretty simple if you ask me.
Ok, that’s a fair statement. Thank you.
I dont have a dog in this fight.
Of course you do. Allowing borders to be redrawn by force isn’t good for stability anywhere.
You think the cost of eggs has something to do with defense spending?
Also, when one country just straight up invades another, it can be pretty easy to choose which side is the aggressor and thus less worthy of support. But that’s just me.
Bring your hate and downvotes. There will be 2 or 3 that understand the situation better than I, and I’m sure that will come and try to educate me.
So if you know this is the case, why would you not just do that research?
I understand the cost of living is very high, but there are numerous factors that play into that and specifically to the example of eggs the war in Ukraine wouldn’t affect that supply chain in a significant way, and the aid also shouldn’t impact it.
Providing aid, beyond preventing the war from being lost, potentially embolding Russia to continue advancing, is simply the right thing to do. Obviously Western nations have the privilege of being at peace, but that doesn’t mean we should blindly turn our backs to the many countries who make our current situation possible through numerous imports and trade.
At the end of the day, you’re entitled to be frustrated by the rising costs of living, and you’re welcome to be angry about the war, but the way you worded your post feels more like willful ignorance than any real attempt to formally become educated.
I appreciate your opinion. I have “done that research” but there will always be someone who is more educated/better informed than I. I’m not so ignorant to believe that I alone know it all or have been better informed than some others.
Providing aid, beyond preventing the war from being lost, potentially embolding Russia to continue advancing, is simply the right thing to do.
I believe this indicates you are not one who is more informed than I. And potentially, it indicates you are less informed. But of course, based on what you understand, you take a stand on what you believe is right, and I fault you none for that.
When people stop caring for the plight of others, we all lose.
I agree, and you get my upvote for a true statement.
But also, I’m not convinced there would be more “plight” in a Russia win. I believe the opposite, in fact. I believe there would be less “plight” and suffering.
There is very much “plight” in their protracted war over there.
So if a group of guys came to your neighbors house and told the family that they’re going to move into it with them, you wouldn’t be for removing them, even if that meant a fight? It would be better to just let them move in because that way no one gets hurt?
And if they successfully move into your neighbor’s house, they might have eyes on your house next.
Russia is trying to take over Ukraine, a sovereign country, by force, and other countries are trying to help Ukraine fight Russia. Yes, people on both sides are dying. Ukrainians apparently overwhelmingly believe it’s worth the fight.
Absolutely not true for many reasons. One of them being that if they let Russia keep what they occupied, it will give Russia time to regroup and keep going.
Number 2, they’re torturing and killing those who don’t support the Russian regime.
So yea, while “stopping the bloodshed” sounds good in theory (That’s why Trump keeps repeating it), it will only embolden Putin and give him time to strengthen his forces and attack again later. This is appeasement and it doesn’t work.
Poland is most certainly next don’t kid yourself.
That would be after the low hanging fruit of Moldova. Neighbors Ukraine, Constitutionally neutral, does not admit stationing foreign military troops on its territory, can only be altered by referendum, and not at all during a state of national emergency, martial law or war.
Where the fuck are you spending that much on eggs?
I’m going to go with “Russia”.
I’m not saying I have better insight about that war, but from my understanding, Ukraine shouldn’t join NATO
Well it’s a good thing that from the understanding of the people who make the choices you’re in the wrong.
I think it should be readily obvious why the USA should defend a country against an act of aggression. For one thing, violating international boundaries and seizing land through war ought to be punished. The precedent should be set that doing so brings about international rebuke and strong consequences. For another, the USA made a security guarantee to Ukraine when they gave up their nuclear weapons. We should make good on it.
Ukraine joining NATO would have prevented this war. Russia isn’t going to war with a country in NATO - just look at the Baltic states. They joined NATO to protect against a possible Russian aggression just like what’s happening now in Ukraine. That worked. It would have worked for Ukraine and it’s part of why I believe Putin pulled the trigger on this before Ukraine was in NATO.
I appreciate you coming with fair enough opinions without personal attacks.
If Ukraine joined NATO, it might not have prevented this attack, and that’s the huge issue. Putin has indicated that it would not have stopped the invasion, which you seem to be educated enough to understand that would probably start WW3.
It would have worked for Ukraine, and it’s part of why I believe Putin pulled the trigger on this before Ukraine was in NATO.
I can believe that because I think Putin doesn’t necessarily want to start WW3. But he has indicated that it wouldn’t have stopped him as well.
I personally don’t believe it’s worth to risk WW3 over the conflict of Ukraine and Russia. The history and issues of Ukraine and Russia are long, complicated, and frankly, IMO, hardly any business of ours.
I’m educated enough to know you’re either deep in a hole of disinformation / misinformation or on Russia’s side. We learned that appeasement doesn’t work with Nazi Germany and other examples, Russia being the latest.
If you know of the history and issues of Russia and Ukraine then you’d know they’re intrinsically linked to the USA and “Western” interests going pretty far back. Plus lots of trade flows through Ukraine and they export a ton of food - it’s important to lots of innocent people who are also impacted by the war even if it’s not by blood loss. The costs in lives is too high but also the costs in material, in trust, in future cooperation between nations has been eroded by Putin’s actions.
I can believe that because I think Putin doesn’t necessarily want to start WW3. But he has indicated that it wouldn’t have stopped him as well
You can’t have it both ways. It’s either he would or would not have. I think recent history has shown the exact opposite of what you claim Putin indicated. Nobody has invaded a NATO country because it works. That’s why the reaction from Finland and Sweden to this Russian invasion was to join NATO after so many years of not being a part of it even bordering the USSR. They know Putin won’t dare attack a member of that alliance. Clearly neutrality did not work when it came to Ukraine. Nor did appeasement, we’re paying for not being tougher in 2016 but the time between then and 2022 was spent strengthening Ukraine’s military precisely to stop the next occurrence of a Russian attack.
How much money do you think we “send over there”?
I think people get confused when they see millions of dollars in aid. They don’t get it’s all equipment that probably wouldn’t have been used again anyway and think the US just prints a bunch of extra cash to send over.
I doubt he even got confused, he’s just regurgitating propaganda.
It’s hilarious when they say this. “Sending money over there” is a literal catchphrase for Trumpers.
He’s full of catchphrases like this. It’s all he knows how to do, rile up his idiot fanbase, because that’s what it is, (no politician should have a fanbase) and shift blame/dodge questions. And he is frighteningly good at it.
It’s hilarious when they say this. “Sending money over there” is a literal catchphrase for Trumpers.
Say what? How is that even a catchphrase? I don’t recall hearing anyone ever say that “catchphrase.” Who told you “sending money over there” is somehow a protrump catchphrase?
Lemme help you. You are generalizing stereotypes, never a smart thing to do. I do agree about this:
no politician should have a fanbase
I’m certainly no trumpster, and personally hate how he has turned the conservative party into the “trump party.” I have some conservative leaning views as well as some more liberal views.
Don’t be so ready to classify people and turn it into a “us vs them” issue. We should try not to stoke the flames of division, there is more than enough of that.
It’s a talking point… stay with me… that turned into a “catchphrase” because it’s used so much. It’s not to be taken literally.
Still with me or?
You cannot have a debate with a Trumper without him/her saying “democrats send money over there” in one form or another.
If you don’t fall into this category, congrats! This comment isn’t about you!
But no, I will as divisive as I need to with Trumpers, they are a cancer on this society that is attempting to take root in the heart of our country yet again. They should be ridiculed and weeded out, forced back into the shadows where they can nurse their wounded egos and barely.masked bigotry in solitude.
Uhg, gross… your attitude (and opinions) is ignorant and contemptible. I’m guessing you’re probably a teenager.
I’ve seen some of your other comments so I don’t really take offense to any insult you might try to throw at me. And no. Based on your other comments I’d guess I’m at least a decade older than you.
You… I don’t even know where to begin. You don’t understand how inflation works or how things on the other side of the world can impact us due to a global economy. You should care if Ukraine wins, because burying our head in the sand and carrying about only the US means we’re left to feel the impact of global events were not engaging in.
Lol… you certainly didn’t know where to begin or end. Next time, begin with reading comprehension. The egg example wasn’t correlating inflation with the billions we sent to Ukraine. Money sent to Ukraine isnt directly affecting inflation. Rather, we have our own very important financial issue here in that states, sending billions abroad shouldn’t be a priority over our financial issues here.
You should care if Ukraine wins, because…
Ok, maybe this guy knows something.
burying our head in the sand and carrying about only the US means we’re left to feel the impact of global events were not engaging in.
Haha. Nvm… Help us, Lord.
Dasvidanya, are you and your family safe? Are you being coerced?
Ok bud, you really showed me.
Sorry… I shouldn’t be an ass…
I don’t really care and am distugested
Please don’t be distugested.
Damn you beat me to it
Man I haven’t met someone who was distugested in a long time. You sure are pretty passionate about this!
Lol… what?
You… misspelled disgusted.
Hahaha oh! Oops. Thank for the correction without personally attacking me.
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It was obvious as hell that he wants Russia to win.
All we have to do is make him president elect! We don’t even have to inaugurate him!
You’ll get all the Logan act violations you seek if you act now!
This gets me - if he’s that fucking clever then he should have ended it by now. And he says he’s good friends with Zelensky, how? Do they go out drinking together? They’ve probably spoken twice. America should be ashamed of Trump the Liar.
America should be ashamed of Trump the Liar.
Americans capable of feeling shame are. Unfortunately, his base is incapable of feeling shame, so there’s no effect there.
They’re capable of feeling shame, just not for good reasons. Like, they can feel ashamed of thinking a trans person is hot.
he will allow Russia to win yes, in exchange for favours probably
Has he not done enough already for that wretched, glorified petrol station they call a country.
He is in a LOT of debt, financially and politically, to Russia. And he also is desperate to win, because if he loses he’s going to jail. He’ll do anything Putin wants him to
What makes you think he hasn’t already been given the favor years or decades ago and how he’s the one repaying it and he’ll get nothing in return?
Mostly the fact that Trump never pays his debts.
I have to wonder if the potential for accidentally falling out of a window goes any way into affecting the way he approaches certain debts.
No. If Trump were capable of conceptualizing losing and suffering consequences he wouldn’t do half the shit he does.
Can’t argue with that one lol
Of course he does, he’s a bought man.
Yea, what a POS he is for pretty much admitting this. Not that we didn’t know this already.
This stood out to me. Do we know of anyone who Trump might be worried about upsetting if he said he wanted Ukraine to win? Anyone at all?
Do we know of anyone who Trump might be worried about upsetting if he said he wanted Ukraine to win? Anyone at all?
That question is awkwardly worded, why are you putin it that way?
Just not russian to any conclusions
Tsar right to know if he’s compromised.
Moscows are fat. Trump is fat. Coincidence? Probably not.
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Moscows=most cows
Ah.
Thanks
Fun fact: at his mother’s deathbed, Stalin reportedly told her that he had “become something like the Tsar”. Perfectly accurate FWIW.
What is confusing to me is why would it matter to Putin if Trump lied here? The Russian mode of government is lying and deception after all.
Does he actually think that his voters want Ukraine to lose? Oh fuck, do his voters actually want Ukraine to lose?
They’ve been listening to the Russian trolls and bots.
And bought and paid for Tim pool
Their line isn’t that Ukraine should lose, it’s that America shouldn’t give them money while homeless vets, Ukraine is corrupt, biden crime family, nato expansion, etc. Which coincidentally are all Russian talking points.
Those damn russians, constantly bringing up recent history like that.
Didn’t Hunter get like millions of dollars from both Russian and Ukranian oligarchs? It’s so cool how the kids of politicans always end up with these sweet deals- and to think Trump is claiming to be the deals guy
Oh thanks, I forgot hunter Biden.
Now go and Google what the Budapest memorandum was.
Russia stated that it had never been under obligation to “force any part of Ukraine’s civilian population to stay in Ukraine against its will.” Russia suggested that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and described the Euromaidan as a US-instigated coup.
Yes, the CIA psyop’d over 70% of the country to support joining the EU, then forced yanukovitch to say “screw that we love Russia” and piss everyone off. And the totally organic resistance movement in the east that happened to have russian equipment and… Soldiers? Yeah just the people self determining or whatever.
So what about the ethnic Russians, and the rest of the non-Ukranian speakers?
There was a base of people (30% per your post) who didn’t support this and when the government cracked down on resistance, city centers ended up shelled with artillery for years.
Just a shitty situation to get caught in the middle of, frankly. Did you support NATO intervention against Serbia when it used its military on a breakaway region?
Half the big right wing youtubers are getting paid by Russia.
Yes. They want Ukraine to lose.
I remember when Russia did go in, briefly Fox News was full of editorializing that Russia should get to have Ukraine. They at least tried to got full on pro-Russia when they thought the narrative might fly and Ukraine was going to just get conquered in a week or so. Clearly they were trying to set things up for blithe acceptance for what Russia had done and for the world to move on (until next time).
I think that between the prolonged conflict and the fact that their boomer audience actually may still be inclined to remember their cold war feelings that this won’t fly, that they backed off to less aggressively calling for complete Russian victory. But as seen here, there’s still a theme of making it clear that you’re ok with whatever outcome, leaning toward “but should we spend our money?” to undermine things rather than calling for a pro-russia outcome outright.
I wonder if a big part of the reason is just the whole phone call about Biden and subsequent impeachment, and how Zelenskyy wouldn’t play ball and the whole thing damaged Trump’s ego in a big way. So even if it’s politically advantageous in every way to say you want Ukraine to win, Trump is incapable of doing so.
The whole reason he tried to keep weapons from Ukraine was because he was given instructions by Putin to make Russia’s planned invasion easier.
Trump being Trump, he tried to extort some political favors or of Zelenskyy first, but clearing a path for Putin was always the goal.
Putin’s mum.
Do we know of anyone who Trump might be worried about upsetting if he said he wanted Ukraine to win?
Yes, I think there’s this one man, Trumps big idol, I think his name was Vladimir the war criminal Putin.
This needs to be very widely publicized.
It was a presidential debate. It was fairly publicized.
I think maybe they mean… Like, not washed out by the other 90 minutes of crazy shit he was saying.
Oh no doubt. I only wish she hadn’t spent so much time explaining what a fucking idiot he was instead of taking about herself or her plans. He made all those talking points for her by, well, talking… It was a great beat down nonetheless, and I get it was her one time to really make a fool out of him in person, but again, he did that better than anyone ever could.
Great show overall, would watch season 2.
She walked him like a dog. Flatly stated he could be easily manipulated, and proceeded to do just that. He could not even muster the courage to make meaningful eye contact with her the entire debate. She just stared him down and dominated him. How brutally emasculating for him.
Watching it made me so hungry, going to doordash some fried kitten.
I dunno, I just read an article about that country’s political debate from last night and it didn’t mention this point, it was mostly discussing how angry that bloke got at the other politician and how overall it seems like it was a bad night for him and a good night for her.
The specifics were a bit overshadowed by the perceived importance of the event and it’s outcome itself, I think.
I’m sure in the coming days some more details will flow out of the USA and we’ll hear some discussion of specifics where they concern us, like their politician’s stances on the war in Europe, I agree. I’ve just not seen it mentioned just yet is all.
But it’s only 7am and I think the debate was in the middle of the night, so I shouldn’t expect much yet haha :-D
But Kamala Harris should have poited that out and reminded everyone that Trump wouldn’t answer. Then it would be her jabbing him instead of some talking head no one knows letting it pass. Missed opportunity.
It will not put off his voters. Some of them just don’t care about anything international. Others admire Putin as a strongman who isn’t afraid to kill his enemies and persecute minorities, a moral conservative, a self-professed Christian, an ally against democracy and a defender of the same bigotries they share.
He doesn’t just need the MAGA faithful to win. I can’t believe I have to keep saying this.
You’re right. The hope is that they’re not enough and he fails to attract anyone else.
I don’t think he’s gaining voters and I do think he’s losing them.
It won’t. Because people are hung up about the eating pets thing. Which, insane as it is might have happened.
Idk why the actual issues are swept under the rug, and the controversial takes are the focus.
I feel like when Harris said that Putin would be sitting in Kyiv, Trump didn’t understand. “Why would he be in Kyiv, Putin would be at home, happier of course” because he’s taking it literally like a fucking idiot.
And yes, Trump, of course Putin would be happier with you in charge when he invaded. The Biden administration gave crucial Intel in the months leading up to the invasion and military support. Harris 100% deserves props for being involved in that.
He also still refused to admit he lost four years ago, and admit any fault or regret for Jan 6th. And he showed zero remorse or awareness about the Central Park Five. Pure deflection for every single question.
His boss sure as shit doesn’t want Ukraine to win.
He knows he can’t say Russia but he doesn’t want Ukraine to win so he does this.
I don’t know why he can’t say Russia. It’s the obvious truth, his swallowers - sorry, his followers - would lap it up no matter what, and it’s no more or less insane than anything else he says.
They are more apt to believe obvious lies than obvious truths.
…how many years ago was it when “facts don’t care about your feelings” was their thing?
Their facts were nonsense, of course, but they at least tried. The lazy, obvious bullshit that 1/3 of the population immediately adopt as their whole identity now is genuinely depressing.
Russian Asset. Better dead than Red.
Not only this, but they rephrased the question asking if he thought it would be in America’s best interest to win the war and he declined to answer again…
I found it interesting that Trump claims if he wins the election, he’ll have the Russia / Ukraine conflict resolved BEFORE he even takes office. I’m paraphrasing there, but that’s how I interpreted what he stated.
If that’s the case, then it seems like he could choose to end the conflict at any time. Why doesn’t he just end it now? Save countless lives. Minimize injuries. Prevent suffering. Save money. I’m sure that’d change some voters’ minds if he did it. Might even win him the election.
Yes, this is a rhetorical question. I have no doubt that he can’t actually end it without basically giving in entirely to Russia.
It is a confusing statement. I understood it to be basically that once he is guaranteed to be president, Putin will know his man on the inside will be in charge, and Putin can end the war/negotiate for favorable terms with the US as enforcer.
Trump can’t end it before the election, because there’s no guarantee he’ll win.
Trump thinks that makes him a brilliant negotiator, instead of what he really is which is a stooge that can be played like a fiddle.
You should have learned by now that everything that comes out of Trump’s mouth is pure bullshit.
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That’s not true, he very clearly answered that he’s stronger than Superman and smarter than Batman.
He could beat Batman for sure, especially with prep time to make a concept of a plan.
Of course, he wants Russia to win, duh
Putler is betting on trump to win. If Harris wins, it’s over for him.
Well, officially, Putin supports Harris, but who knows with that deranged man.
He endorsed her specifically so that Trump would say that in the debate. And he did.
And how do you, pray tell, know that?
Because I don’t live under a rock.
But you do since you just guess. I quote known sources, and you pull shit out your ass.
Please explain why Putin would endorse the person who says that Ukraine should win the war over the person who won’t say that.
I don’t need to explain anything. Again, I’m just citing facts, and you’re guessing. But honestly, how much do you think your armchair analytics are really worth? Or anyone’s for that matter?
You didn’t quote anything
Here’s a guy who believes things that come out of Putin’s mouth, over his own eyes and his own government.
Remind me, which side just got busted for being literally paid by Russia to post pro-russian propaganda about the election and Ukraine? Wasn’t that conservatives? If Putin wants Kamala, why is Russia paying American conservative influencers millions of dollars to sway voters away from her?
Lmao I don’t really give a damn. I just quoted Putins’ own words, make that what you will and the fact is he supports Harris apparently.
I know you quoted Putin’s own words, that was my whole point lol. He said those words in response to the US GOVERNMENT saying that he is paying conservative influencers to influence the US election.
So, which source do you believe, Putin, or the US government? Go on
I dont really trust, either to be honest. What has the US government said on the matter?
If you’re just going to quote people and accept it as fact, I have the metal scrapping rights for the Eiffel tower for sale and I’m willing to do so for cheap.
Better than armchair conjecture, tbh.
That’s the thing you can’t trust putins own words lmao
Nobody “knows” it, but it’s totally within character for both of them.
Trump is so predictable he reliably fell for Harris’ obvious bait about his rally attendees etc.
It’s not farfetched to assume Putin, who is actually quite skilled in the art of manipulating people, would attempt to use Trump as a pawn in this manner.
Yeah well see therein lies the problem. There is a difference between knowing and not knowing, something that seems to matter next to nothing to people anymore
Let’s say a guy says he likes puppies, but then pays a pile of cash so some people will run a puppy-kicking machine. Would you say he likes puppies or not?
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That’s because officially Putin knows who he supports has negative connotations for the electorate.
Whoever Putin visibly puts his weight behind is the opposite of who he wants to win.
It’s also so the MAGA rubes (who mostly secretly root for Putin) can say “See Trump don’t balong ta no won cause Pootin was for the Kamunist!”
He of course supports Trump, he just likes to mess around Western politics
