Your fundamental mistake is in asserting that NATO provides some added protection. There is no real basis for this fact. Ukraine had a military that’s far greater than any NATO military aside from US. Their military is also the only European military with any combat experience from 8 years of civil war.
If Russia is able to defeat this army then there is little chance that the rest of NATO would fare any better. While US has a large and capable military, it’s not committed to the European theater.
If Finland and Sweden were looking at their best interests then they would remain neutral.
As I’ve explained, there is little reason to believe that NATO provides any added protection in practice and creates a situation where Russia has a reason to attack Finland or Sweden where previously they did not have one. If that makes you feel safer then what else is there to say.
Other European countries don’t have militaries that are in any way comparable to Russia or even to Ukraine, and article 5 does not oblige them to help militarily. The level of aid provided to Ukraine is above and beyond of what article 5 requires. Thinking that Finland would get more aid than Ukraine received is not based on any facts I’m aware of.
Russian army was never in a position to take Kiev. The fact that you think that further demonstrates how utterly ignorant you are on the subject you continue to attempt debating. Simple math shows that Russia could not take Kiev with 40k troops because that was roughly the amount of troops Ukraine had stationed in Kiev and you need three to one advantage for the attackers. Russia is clearly aware of that since they used this formula in Mariupol. What Russia did in Kiev was a fixing operation that prevented forces stationed there from reinforcing forces in the east that are currently being surrounded.
Again, I’m not looking at Russia’s interests. I’m explaining you sober reality of the situation. When Ukraine was neutral, Russia had a working relationship with Ukraine. Hostilities started after 2014 coup that was orchestrated by US. Now, Finland and Sweden are putting themselves in a similar situation. Good luck with that.
I’m not pretending to be anything. This is what actual military experts say. I’m providing you views that are on the side of reality. I’m sorry reality offends you.
Hilarious how the guy who said that NATO is a defensive alliance that never invades anybody accuses others of trolling. You’ve shown yourself for the 🤡 that you are here.
You’ve consistently shown yourself to be an ignoramus and a liar, perhaps you should take your own advice.
Feel free to provide views from military experts who disagree. I’m trying to imagine the intellect one would need to have to think that you could get paid to troll on a tiny niche site. 🤡
Your fundamental mistake is in asserting that NATO provides some added protection. There is no real basis for this fact. Ukraine had a military that’s far greater than any NATO military aside from US. Their military is also the only European military with any combat experience from 8 years of civil war.
If Russia is able to defeat this army then there is little chance that the rest of NATO would fare any better. While US has a large and capable military, it’s not committed to the European theater.
If Finland and Sweden were looking at their best interests then they would remain neutral.
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As I’ve explained, there is little reason to believe that NATO provides any added protection in practice and creates a situation where Russia has a reason to attack Finland or Sweden where previously they did not have one. If that makes you feel safer then what else is there to say.
Other European countries don’t have militaries that are in any way comparable to Russia or even to Ukraine, and article 5 does not oblige them to help militarily. The level of aid provided to Ukraine is above and beyond of what article 5 requires. Thinking that Finland would get more aid than Ukraine received is not based on any facts I’m aware of.
Russian army was never in a position to take Kiev. The fact that you think that further demonstrates how utterly ignorant you are on the subject you continue to attempt debating. Simple math shows that Russia could not take Kiev with 40k troops because that was roughly the amount of troops Ukraine had stationed in Kiev and you need three to one advantage for the attackers. Russia is clearly aware of that since they used this formula in Mariupol. What Russia did in Kiev was a fixing operation that prevented forces stationed there from reinforcing forces in the east that are currently being surrounded.
Again, I’m not looking at Russia’s interests. I’m explaining you sober reality of the situation. When Ukraine was neutral, Russia had a working relationship with Ukraine. Hostilities started after 2014 coup that was orchestrated by US. Now, Finland and Sweden are putting themselves in a similar situation. Good luck with that.
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I’m not pretending to be anything. This is what actual military experts say. I’m providing you views that are on the side of reality. I’m sorry reality offends you.
Hilarious how the guy who said that NATO is a defensive alliance that never invades anybody accuses others of trolling. You’ve shown yourself for the 🤡 that you are here.
You’ve consistently shown yourself to be an ignoramus and a liar, perhaps you should take your own advice.
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Feel free to provide views from military experts who disagree. I’m trying to imagine the intellect one would need to have to think that you could get paid to troll on a tiny niche site. 🤡
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Ah ok, I’ll just have to take the word of a known liar here. 😂
The real question is how somebody like you figured out how to use the internet in the first place. It’s like watching a squirrel do heart surgery.
LMAO just saw you deleting your comments. I guess you finally read them while sober. 😂
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We both know that you wrote utter nonsense in this thread, and I caught you lying repeatedly. You know this and I know this.
You keep calling me a troll, but you don’t even have the basic honesty to stand by what you wrote. 🤡
I absolutely love how you think you’re being clever here.