Maybe the great filter is the misuse of apostrophes?
Maybe the great filter is crabs dragging others down to their level.
Hell of a shower thought, Mr. Sagan.
Can’t say I’d ever get a shower erection with that thought. /tmi
Cleansing as a pretentious melancholic.
The the DNA brick wall we’ve been climbing is exactly that.
You’ve reminded me of some of my favorite hip hop lyrics of all time. If you never heard Eyedea before he died (27 club, I think?), Eyedea had Eminem level potential. Fucking incredible lyricist. If this tickles your fancy, go peep the album First Born.
Eyedea & Abilities - Man vs Ape
Move!
There’s no telling what I’ma do
I’m eighty-thousand years of natural selection comin through
You ain’t got as much aggression, possessions, weapons
I’ll be damned if I get outdone by the next man
If you’re beliefs are different than mine, then we gonna fight
Who needs peace when you can profit from being right?
I hold picket signs outside abortion clinic doors
Take what I want with force
And my God could kill yours
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Involved with a species evolving so slowly
Genetically infantile, violent and holy
We think we’re so smart but there’s not much to know
Caveman is still alive behind those robot eyes
Fully controlled by ten thousand year old instincts
Hands on the war button, flinch and your world’s extinct
This is technology for the barbarian
I see the future: the past, we’ll be there again
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Remember, the atom bomb came from the same place as poetry
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Die dirty hippy commie scum, Christian, Muslim Buddhist, Jew
Democrat, factory-workin, college student you…
My nervous system don’t take no bullshit
Been dominating since the day I touched the monolith
I only breed with sex-symbol worthy women
They stay at home and cook while I go out a make a living
Don’t challenge my ego, don’t step on my shoe
Otherwise the next wake that you attend might be for you
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Grindin’ my teeth as I’m battling uphill
The fight against ape-hood is fate versus free will
We think we’re advanced but there’s nowhere to go
Mammals stay captive to animal actions
So slowly we climb up this DNA brick wall
Addicted to emptiness, anger and pitfalls
Desire for space, territory, or lust
We’ll eventually turn this whole planet to dust
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There can be no peace when man is still a part of it
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Purpose, perseverance, wordless amoeba surface
To lead the first coherent paleolithic circus
Specific neuro-circuits link man and Neanderthal
However, recent bio-chemical imprints
conflict with primitive urges
It’s full blown ontological warfare
Murdering memories in the future two million years
Peace is a word we often say,
But it can’t exist as long as the ape is here to stay
Do you have other song recommendations with larger than life topics like this ?
I don’t listen to hip-hop but I like the theme of this one.
I recommend the album, Eyedea & Abilities - first born
The dive part 1 and 2 will blow your mind. And the song Read Wiped in Blue has some lyrics that are relevant today:
Another of his, A Murder of Memories, about war/PTSD.
Thank you !
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RIP eyedea
I think the evolution of multicellular life is most likely to be the great filter, since it took the longest to develop on earth.
We tend to focus on distance from it’s star and size to determine a planet’s habitability, but one of the most distinctive things about Earth is that it is essentially a two-planet system with the moon. The ratio of planet size to orbital object is pretty unique. The moon has all kinds of benefits, like tides and deflecting objects from Earth.
Then there’s the magnetosphere, which Mars doesn’t have and look what happened to it. And Jupiter’s massive size and gravitational influence play a crucial role in protecting Earth from extraterrestrial objects, including comets and asteroids.
Even with all that the Earth might never have developed intelligent life.
Maybe the great filter was the friends we made along the way?
I don’t think that’s an “if” at all. I firmly believe that that’s exactly it.
The same behaviours that we needed to evolve are harmful now that we’ve reached a potential “post-scarcity” stage.
To put it more bluntly, the drive to compete for resources in order to survive is what made us the dominant species. Now that post-scarcity is essentially upon us, our nature is to create artificial scarcity in order to satiate that drive for competition. And it will be the ultimate end of us.
These are pretty much the thoughts I had.
What if the great filter is our love of carbs?
Hey, carbs are awesome.
Leave the flying spaghetti monster out of this.
May you be touched by his noodley appendage.
Here’s the thing about the question “where is everyone then?”
Space is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space. -Douglas Adams
We have had the ability to receive signals from space for roughly 100 years. 100 light year radius is NOTHING. Then there is the problem of the inverse square law making broadcast radio signals really hard to detect from that kind of distance.
100 years is an infinitesimal amount of time against the backdrop of the universe. Time is the great enemy here. Space and time are brutal masters.
To physically travel to the very closest star to our own would take over seventy thousand years at speeds we are currently capable of.
Space is almost entirely empty. The great filter could simply be trying to leave one’s own planet for any length of time. We are forever isolated, forever tied to the planet from which we arose.
I like the idea that the Great Filter is really just civilizations turning inward. Like they all get to a point where they realize that space travel is just really not viable and so they stop looking to explore the universe or find other life. Instead they turn to virtual worlds to prolong their existence with what resources they have available in their own star systems. Not even Dyson spheres or anything, they just go into digital hibernation and live out the rest of their lifetimes in a fabricated paradise for however long they can. Maybe they’re able to use drugs/genetics/whatever to slow time down to a crawl where it feels like they live thousands of years within a normal lifespan.
For Outer Wilds fans, basically:
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Owlks
Then we would start ‘behavorial sink’ and slowly decline in population. Someone else mentioned Calhoun and his rat utopia the other day and I looked it up. It seems like we are going through our version of behavioral sink.
Like uploads? If so, couldn’t they have all this fun while slowly traveling the universe?
“We’re sorry to interrupt everyone’s simulation, but we’re happy to remind you that you’re a person on a spaceship and we just found something interesting!”
Then we better hurry the fuck up before we make it impossible to live on the planet.
In the grand scale of the universe we aren’t even a blip, any “permanent” damage we cause will be reversed over hundreds of thousands or millions of years after we’ve wiped ourselves out.
And even if there was some kind of damage that couldn’t be reversed, the next cycle of life would just adapt to whatever the issue is
I’m not really worried about the planet. I’m worried about us.
I mean the earth has already survived having the first moon crash into it, as well as a giant meteor that caused an ice age. We have t quite gotten to that level, yet.
Been seeing a lot of “mass extinctions are fine, earth will recover” bullshit lately, it’s making me suspicious that this is the next big oil psyop.
Oh yeah it’s all good, I just talked about millions of years of recovery and the extinction of humans, but yeah I’m a shill for big oil.
What are you smoking? I want some
Yeah “earth will recover once all humans die” doesn’t make me any less worried for humanity.
Humanity aside, exterminating thousands of species of animals is just bad, not for any practical effect it has on humanity or “nature” but just because it, in itself, is morally bad.
The argument I’ve heard is that new species will evolve to fill new niches and one day earth will host the same biodiversity again.
I can’t say I find that one anymore convincing. I’m with you on this, it’s pretty gross how blasé some people are about dragging countless other species into extinction along with us.
I’ve seen it a lot recently.
Person 1: nature will recover, but humanity will go extinct.
Person 2: actually, humanity won’t go extinct [list of information about humanity’s resiliency]
Person 1 (or 3rd party reading): oh cool, not that big a deal then
Lost in this discussion: mass extinctions bad
So we all just happily go back to living in forest?
The thing is we could largely retain all our advances and live in a more fecund environment. A large portion of our pollution is unnecessary and tied to whatever you call this global economic system / social paradigm we’ve backed ourselves into. It’s only either or between forest and urban blight because we’ve made it so
Reminds me of my thoughts after reading “Why Buddhism is True” by Robert Wright. If you haven’t read it before I highly recommend it.
I didn’t understand the question. What is a “great filter”?
No BS, seriously don’t know and want to.
This covers it pretty well.
If you want a very short version: a hypothetical eventuality in the technological advancement of intelligent life, as to limit their existence.
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So like, we all just give up as a species? Sounds unlikely.
Think of Star Trek as an analogy.
- The Archers, Pikes, Kirks succeeded by being bold and daring, confronting dangers, fighting to survive. The Siskos and Burnhams instigated war on a galactic scale. They were violent, reactive, risk takers
- a couple centuries later, the Picards confronted greater obstacles but with reason, compassion, self-sacrifice. If Kirk had faced Q, that would have been the great filter, but Picard succeeded as a human evolved past his violent reactions
I’ve never watched Star Trek.
I know, heresy for lemmy.
I also use windows and not linux (though I plan on switching when I get time to learn linux)
Wow, it’s like talking to an Alien …… while I do occasionally use Windows, my main laptop is OSX, my home servers are Raspian and Suse and at work I use Red Hat, Debian and whatever Amazon Linux is, and my media consumption is Linux or iOS
