Kpop is a goddamn cesspool of capitalistic exploitation so I’m inclined to agree.
If they found out I was a commie in south korea. I’ll probably be killed or tortured to death and no one will ever know why I was missing lol.
Couldn’t you just walk over to north Korea
That border is the most heavily militarized in the world, you would probably get shot if you actually managed to get near it.
We should make it easier to migrate to north korea for those who want. Make a special bridge or tunnel or something. I wouldn’t mind TBH
This way people can leave if they want to as well. It works both ways
refer to @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml’s post; https://lemmygrad.ml/post/25498
Then there are the defectors. More often than not, they are abducted and forced to live in the puppet state known as South Korea. They are monitored 24/7 by the national intelligence service (NIS). They are not allowed a passport, because they could go back to the DPRK with it. They are held hostage in enemy territory. Then they turn your people against you. They turn you into a defector. They urge you to say ludicrous things on TV if you want to get out of their cells. And because people don’t want to hear the same tame stories for the 15th time, they give you scripts that get more and more outrageous as time goes on.
Sure why not. But in that situation as a chinese descent I rather go to there instead.
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He’s right though. Kpop artists are basically slaves at this point.
Truly a bastion of liberty and freedom. I can only wish for the opportunity to be thrown into the work camps for having the wrong hairstyle or listening to the wrong music in the Oppressed West.
the solution is easy, Kim Jong Un should change his hairstyle and start growing a beard. see? wasn’t that hard, was it?
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seriously though, I’m genuinely confused. basically you guys are saying that all those stories about North Korea are factually incorrect? what is your evidence? I mean it isn’t possible that all media outlets are lying to us.
You have to read @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml’s post to grasp the situation of North Korea; https://lemmygrad.ml/post/25498
Western media is if not all, most of the defectors are forced to act. Make sense of course since they want to frame DPRK as some evil country when in reality North Koreans just trying to survive.
Then there are the defectors. More often than not, they are abducted and forced to live in the puppet state known as South Korea. They are monitored 24/7 by the national intelligence service (NIS). They are not allowed a passport, because they could go back to the DPRK with it. They are held hostage in enemy territory. Then they turn your people against you. They turn you into a defector. They urge you to say ludicrous things on TV if you want to get out of their cells. And because people don’t want to hear the same tame stories for the 15th time, they give you scripts that get more and more outrageous as time goes on.
One of those defectors that was spied by the NIS was interviewed here, (I think It’s shadow banned): https://youtube.com/watch?v=1OZMe0W0wW8
no offense, but the post doesn’t really give me any sources. and a video of a single person talking isn’t really going to make anyone rebuke mainstream media. so I ask again, is there any evidence that I can see for myself?
You could read the history of the Korean War, relating to US anti-communism. you shouldn’t really ask a person like me since I just started learning about north korean history just around yesterday. but here’s some I know;
Nutomic’s linked video already proven that the media has lied about the bizarre hair rule in DPRK, it never existed. so you shouldn’t trust Western Sources; looking at their war history you can tell that they very much hate communists including DPRK.
Back in 2017 north korea offered to scrap It’s nuclear program twice in three months, if the US ended It’s hostile policy and nuclear threat. but they refused to negotiate on numerous occations; https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/white-house-again-rejects-talks-with-north-korea-on-nuclear-issue-idUSKCN1C72KV and yet the US claims to want no war.
2017, at the same year the US President Donald J. Trump has sanctioned North Korea. it lowered North Korea’s GDP to -30%. Six times worse than the financial crisis in the US back in 2008. The people in north korea was suffering because of this.
I read the article, but I couldn’t find where it says they were offering to scrap their nuclear tests. was it mentioned in a different article?
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They clearly stated this in this article; https://www.38north.org
We will, under no circumstances, put the nukes and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table. Neither shall we flinch even an inch from the road to bolstering up the nuclear forces chosen by ourselves, unless the hostile policy and nuclear threat of the U.S. against the D.P.R.K. are fundamentally eliminated
I mean it isn’t possible that all media outlets are lying to us.
… should i tell them?
lol, ok it’s possible that people are lied to on a constant basis about things like how comanies care about our privacy or how in animal agriculture they treat animals well or how capitalism is the only possible or just socio-economic system and things like that, but outright lying? give me evidence which I can personally verify that validates your claims, that’s all I’m asking for.
You can pretty much guarantee that any story in western media about the DPRK is sensational tabloid nonsense. Here’s some good places to get started.
- Is north korea a totalitarian dictatorship? Are they all really required to get the same haircut? A short documentary.
- South Korea boosts reward for defectors to $860k USD.
- Are north korean defectors really paid to lie by the south? A short documentary.
- What is everyday life like? A conversation with a North Korean Citizen.
The fact that they can play host to tourists and useful idiots doesn’t mean squat. If North Korea is so free, why doesn’t its citizens have, say, freedom of movement to leave and come back?
Also living witth loads of tapeworm in the stomach from using human fertilizer on farms sound pretty great to.o, or not making a floor so you can make sure water floods out during storms and flood. Been waiting to live that good life.
Typical fascist being afraid of art…
State media said K-Pop and its catchy tunes could make North Korea “crumble like a damp wall.”
He could be right, fascist governments have lost control over their government plenty of times because they denied them basic pleasures that other people were allowed to enjoy
State media said K-Pop and its catchy tunes could make North Korea “crumble like a damp wall.”
there is no way in hell they said this, which is why that part is not in quotes.
Typical fascist
typical lib not understanding politics. kim is literally the opposite of a fascist.
Funny thing is, “K-pop and It’s catchy tunes” should never be a thing in the first place. all of the kpop labels dehumanize and exploit kpop artists and it will likely stay that way because of the capitalistic system they have, led them to success. these things are without culture nor personal creativity. in short; Kpop = Westernized, Capitalist Slavery.
I’m inclined to say that some of the claims in this thread are gross. You can be critical of the industri but that is a world apart from Kim Jong Un’s position. The comments here don’t even seem ironic.
edit: Please don’t support north korea
Please don’t support north korea
I will always support the DPRK 😎
Are people being ironic here? I find it difficult to read this place. Your comment is +9 -3 at the time of writing this.
Do you actually want to live in a DPRK-style country? I mean this is “liberal news” not “crazy fucked up worst possible version of communism news”.
Are people being ironic here?
Nah I wasn’t being ironic, I genuinely support the DPRK.
Do you actually want to live in a DPRK-style country?
I don’t know, but what I want isn’t relevant. The DPRK has endured a lot of suffering after the Korean War and has to struggle a lot to overcome the limitations brought upon it by the War and villification from the West. It’s obviously not a paradise, but it’s also probably not as bad as Western media portrays, and it’s definitely not as bad as the US and the rest of the imperial core.
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let me explain, the thing is , as far as I know, there’s no vocal American-style liberal on Lemmy, the furthest to the right we’ve got are centrists, so liberal here means social democrats and anarchists, and since we have only one socdem, soferman, and our anarchists are a bit quiet, most of the comments are written by our communist friends. so yeah, most active users of !liberalnews are communists :)
ah , and don’t worry, they aren’t trying to support executions or bad stuff like that, they believe most of these stories are western imperialist prpaganda.
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lol I know, I personally don’t use liberal as such a broad term, but in this sense liberal means someone who cares about personal freedom and liberties, as opposed to a passion for freeing the masses (honestly I care about both and don’t even understand why they can’t be achieved at the same time, both are good and neccessary in my opinion).
PS: the tone of my comment is in no way hostile or condescending 🙂
lol, it’s all good.
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That’s pretty gross. I can’t imagine the upbringing and current situation you must have lived through to come to support such a regime.
a friendly advice: I think you’ll get a better discussion going on if you stop calling things gross and start explaining why they are gross to you. you can start by finding some common ground, the best I can think of is Lemmy, you are both using a free and open source platform that’s decentralized, so you probably care about user freedom. then you can say “hey, as far as I know, north korea isn’t even connected to the internet, and they use an OS called red star on their computers, which fingerprints any media it plays, don’t you think that’s terrible?”. that being said, I myself am shocked that people defend it, but questioning their upbringing doesn’t really help.
But it’s like lost at this point right? I wouldn’t have a proper discussion with a neo nazi supporting facism or wanting to eradicate jews. I feel we are moving towards like at the edge of things.
I’m kind of feeling uncertain if these are people that should be platformed. And if so, platformed responsibly.
But maybe you can change my mind on this.
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By talking about platforming I’m not talking about if these people should be able to comment here. In this instance I’m platfrmed by them and I’d have to ban the entire instance almost. I’m thinking in a general sense. Are these people that in another setting should be given a big platform?
well, lemmy’s communists are at least benevolent, opposed to malevolent neo nazis. for me that’s enough to think intelligent discussion is possible, but maybe it’s because I have had to deal with fringe groups a lot. not to mention that I hate capitalism too, so what they say resonates with me.
the most important thing is deciding if it’s worth your time staying here and discussing. if you reach the conclusion that it’s not, then subscribe to some subs and only browse those. but don’t just call this and that gross, it doesn’t achieve anything, but gets them defensive. but if you like discussing or think that you’re responsible, you should be willing to understand them. as you know, much of the difference between what you believe and what they believe comes from trusting different sources, and it’s hard to do anything about it. it’s much easier to find a common ground.
personally I’m only disturbed when people talk about the glorious DPRK or go to great lengths to defend some stuff.
I feel it’s important that there is written that it’s gross so it isn’t normalized.And there doesn’t need to be a proper argument behind it, just that there is expressed dissagreement is enough and that one doesn’t approve the problematic behaviour.
well, it’s already normal to have such beliefs in lemmy, and no way alemmy in its current state can normalize something in society as a whole. so calling it gross is pointless. it only makes reaching an agreement or mutual understanding less likely.
