I’m inclined to say that some of the claims in this thread are gross. You can be critical of the industri but that is a world apart from Kim Jong Un’s position. The comments here don’t even seem ironic.
Nah I wasn’t being ironic, I genuinely support the DPRK.
Do you actually want to live in a DPRK-style country?
I don’t know, but what I want isn’t relevant. The DPRK has endured a lot of suffering after the Korean War and has to struggle a lot to overcome the limitations brought upon it by the War and villification from the West. It’s obviously not a paradise, but it’s also probably not as bad as Western media portrays, and it’s definitely not as bad as the US and the rest of the imperial core.
let me explain, the thing is , as far as I know, there’s no vocal American-style liberal on Lemmy, the furthest to the right we’ve got are centrists, so liberal here means social democrats and anarchists, and since we have only one socdem, soferman, and our anarchists are a bit quiet, most of the comments are written by our communist friends. so yeah, most active users of !liberalnews are communists :)
ah , and don’t worry, they aren’t trying to support executions or bad stuff like that, they believe most of these stories are western imperialist prpaganda.
lol I know, I personally don’t use liberal as such a broad term, but in this sense liberal means someone who cares about personal freedom and liberties, as opposed to a passion for freeing the masses (honestly I care about both and don’t even understand why they can’t be achieved at the same time, both are good and neccessary in my opinion).
PS: the tone of my comment is in no way hostile or condescending 🙂
a friendly advice: I think you’ll get a better discussion going on if you stop calling things gross and start explaining why they are gross to you. you can start by finding some common ground, the best I can think of is Lemmy, you are both using a free and open source platform that’s decentralized, so you probably care about user freedom. then you can say “hey, as far as I know, north korea isn’t even connected to the internet, and they use an OS called red star on their computers, which fingerprints any media it plays, don’t you think that’s terrible?”. that being said, I myself am shocked that people defend it, but questioning their upbringing doesn’t really help.
But it’s like lost at this point right? I wouldn’t have a proper discussion with a neo nazi supporting facism or wanting to eradicate jews. I feel we are moving towards like at the edge of things.
I’m kind of feeling uncertain if these are people that should be platformed. And if so, platformed responsibly.
But maybe you can change my mind on this.
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By talking about platforming I’m not talking about if these people should be able to comment here. In this instance I’m platfrmed by them and I’d have to ban the entire instance almost. I’m thinking in a general sense. Are these people that in another setting should be given a big platform?
well, lemmy’s communists are at least benevolent, opposed to malevolent neo nazis. for me that’s enough to think intelligent discussion is possible, but maybe it’s because I have had to deal with fringe groups a lot. not to mention that I hate capitalism too, so what they say resonates with me.
the most important thing is deciding if it’s worth your time staying here and discussing. if you reach the conclusion that it’s not, then subscribe to some subs and only browse those. but don’t just call this and that gross, it doesn’t achieve anything, but gets them defensive. but if you like discussing or think that you’re responsible, you should be willing to understand them. as you know, much of the difference between what you believe and what they believe comes from trusting different sources, and it’s hard to do anything about it. it’s much easier to find a common ground.
personally I’m only disturbed when people talk about the glorious DPRK or go to great lengths to defend some stuff.
I feel it’s important that there is written that it’s gross so it isn’t normalized.And there doesn’t need to be a proper argument behind it, just that there is expressed dissagreement is enough and that one doesn’t approve the problematic behaviour.
well, it’s already normal to have such beliefs in lemmy, and no way alemmy in its current state can normalize something in society as a whole. so calling it gross is pointless. it only makes reaching an agreement or mutual understanding less likely.
well, there is no agreement or understanding for supporting north korea. even though its different from a facist or a nazi, its basicly like trying to do it with them. and there is a point to do it, its sso people who visit dont see it as the only viewpoint. even though majority of people here are baserment sewage there are people here who arent that too. It also makes a space or a flag to go under against these people.
I’m inclined to say that some of the claims in this thread are gross. You can be critical of the industri but that is a world apart from Kim Jong Un’s position. The comments here don’t even seem ironic.
edit: Please don’t support north korea
I will always support the DPRK 😎
Are people being ironic here? I find it difficult to read this place. Your comment is +9 -3 at the time of writing this.
Do you actually want to live in a DPRK-style country? I mean this is “liberal news” not “crazy fucked up worst possible version of communism news”.
Nah I wasn’t being ironic, I genuinely support the DPRK.
I don’t know, but what I want isn’t relevant. The DPRK has endured a lot of suffering after the Korean War and has to struggle a lot to overcome the limitations brought upon it by the War and villification from the West. It’s obviously not a paradise, but it’s also probably not as bad as Western media portrays, and it’s definitely not as bad as the US and the rest of the imperial core.
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let me explain, the thing is , as far as I know, there’s no vocal American-style liberal on Lemmy, the furthest to the right we’ve got are centrists, so liberal here means social democrats and anarchists, and since we have only one socdem, soferman, and our anarchists are a bit quiet, most of the comments are written by our communist friends. so yeah, most active users of !liberalnews are communists :)
ah , and don’t worry, they aren’t trying to support executions or bad stuff like that, they believe most of these stories are western imperialist prpaganda.
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lol I know, I personally don’t use liberal as such a broad term, but in this sense liberal means someone who cares about personal freedom and liberties, as opposed to a passion for freeing the masses (honestly I care about both and don’t even understand why they can’t be achieved at the same time, both are good and neccessary in my opinion).
lol, it’s all good.
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That’s pretty gross. I can’t imagine the upbringing and current situation you must have lived through to come to support such a regime.
a friendly advice: I think you’ll get a better discussion going on if you stop calling things gross and start explaining why they are gross to you. you can start by finding some common ground, the best I can think of is Lemmy, you are both using a free and open source platform that’s decentralized, so you probably care about user freedom. then you can say “hey, as far as I know, north korea isn’t even connected to the internet, and they use an OS called red star on their computers, which fingerprints any media it plays, don’t you think that’s terrible?”. that being said, I myself am shocked that people defend it, but questioning their upbringing doesn’t really help.
But it’s like lost at this point right? I wouldn’t have a proper discussion with a neo nazi supporting facism or wanting to eradicate jews. I feel we are moving towards like at the edge of things.
I’m kind of feeling uncertain if these are people that should be platformed. And if so, platformed responsibly.
But maybe you can change my mind on this.
Edit:
By talking about platforming I’m not talking about if these people should be able to comment here. In this instance I’m platfrmed by them and I’d have to ban the entire instance almost. I’m thinking in a general sense. Are these people that in another setting should be given a big platform?
well, lemmy’s communists are at least benevolent, opposed to malevolent neo nazis. for me that’s enough to think intelligent discussion is possible, but maybe it’s because I have had to deal with fringe groups a lot. not to mention that I hate capitalism too, so what they say resonates with me.
the most important thing is deciding if it’s worth your time staying here and discussing. if you reach the conclusion that it’s not, then subscribe to some subs and only browse those. but don’t just call this and that gross, it doesn’t achieve anything, but gets them defensive. but if you like discussing or think that you’re responsible, you should be willing to understand them. as you know, much of the difference between what you believe and what they believe comes from trusting different sources, and it’s hard to do anything about it. it’s much easier to find a common ground.
personally I’m only disturbed when people talk about the glorious DPRK or go to great lengths to defend some stuff.
I feel it’s important that there is written that it’s gross so it isn’t normalized.And there doesn’t need to be a proper argument behind it, just that there is expressed dissagreement is enough and that one doesn’t approve the problematic behaviour.
well, it’s already normal to have such beliefs in lemmy, and no way alemmy in its current state can normalize something in society as a whole. so calling it gross is pointless. it only makes reaching an agreement or mutual understanding less likely.
well, there is no agreement or understanding for supporting north korea. even though its different from a facist or a nazi, its basicly like trying to do it with them. and there is a point to do it, its sso people who visit dont see it as the only viewpoint. even though majority of people here are baserment sewage there are people here who arent that too. It also makes a space or a flag to go under against these people.