It’s strange that you keep questioning the legitimacy of those governments given that they’re supported by the people of Donbas and are recognized by Minsk agreements which I assume you have not bothered actually reading.
The Minsk protocols were violated by both sides before the ink dried. The agreement has been reduced to a joke and asking Ukraine to hold to them while its territorial integrity is violated is a matter of selective enforcement.
And I’m sure they would be thrilled if they could do so. Germany especially would find it difficult to impose any sanctions with real teeth due to its dependency on Russian natural gas.
It’s strange that you continue to fall for this shit. It’s actually not strange, it’s kind of suspicious, but mostly comical. They could nuke Kiev and I guarantee you’d be on the lemmy post calling it fake news or trying to justify it.
Bruh, US overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine, funded and trained literal fascists there, and is now trying to start WW3, but yeah BoTh SiDeS aRe BaD.
Svoboda and Right Sector? Or are you talking about the current government of Ukraine?
Current government in Ukraine is full of extremists an has even integrated Azov battalion, who are unapologetic nazis, into their regular military.
Sure, ironically if you typically invade a country like what Russia did, you are going to spur some serious nationalism and embolden those elements.
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I’m not going to disagree that the US had trained people who are part of the parties previously mentioned and I am not exactly supportive of this as well.
Stop trying to rewrite history. Russia has never been the main aggressor here, and anybody claiming this is either an utter ignoramus or a liar.
And you have Russian crusaders that are wanting to return Ukraine back to Russia. Ironically, you could just say that Russia is now a hotbed of white supremacists.
Just going to tell that there are no “boots on the ground” and Crimea’s invasion has a bit different background behind it. It is not like Putin woke up one day and announced “let’s go play boys!” Also, what is this crap about Donetsk and Luhansk having separatists? If they announced their independence after Ukraine cutting off their water supply and all those shenanigans, why does Ukraine have an issue?
“Providing military equipment to the separatists” is done by USA and NATO countries throughout, and we can discuss Azov Battalion in national military as well.
You can also discuss about the UN resolution vote against Nazism 2 months ago, and why USA always votes “NO” in that vote since the past 15 years.
It’s strange that you keep questioning the legitimacy of those governments given that they’re supported by the people of Donbas and are recognized by Minsk agreements which I assume you have not bothered actually reading.
The Minsk protocols were violated by both sides before the ink dried. The agreement has been reduced to a joke and asking Ukraine to hold to them while its territorial integrity is violated is a matter of selective enforcement.
That’s utter and complete nonsense. In fact, Germany and France are insisting that Ukraine starts implementing Minsk agreement at this very moment.
And I’m sure they would be thrilled if they could do so. Germany especially would find it difficult to impose any sanctions with real teeth due to its dependency on Russian natural gas.
Ah yes, the only country here with pure and humanitarian motivations is the US.
It’s strange that you continue to fall for this shit. It’s actually not strange, it’s kind of suspicious, but mostly comical. They could nuke Kiev and I guarantee you’d be on the lemmy post calling it fake news or trying to justify it.
The only thing comical here is how utterly brainwashed westerners are.
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Bruh, US overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine, funded and trained literal fascists there, and is now trying to start WW3, but yeah BoTh SiDeS aRe BaD.
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You could only apply the same logic if you completely ignore reality and history. Here’s what Jacobin, a western publication has to say about the events of 2014, so maybe stop trying to rewrite history here https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
Current government in Ukraine is full of extremists an has even integrated Azov battalion, who are unapologetic nazis, into their regular military.
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Stop trying to rewrite history. Russia has never been the main aggressor here, and anybody claiming this is either an utter ignoramus or a liar.
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Have you?
Ukraine is run by literal Fascists, but yeah ok.
Russia has been the main aggressor now since the past 7 years according to Western fake news outlets. 6 below + current gaslighting attempt.
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Just going to tell that there are no “boots on the ground” and Crimea’s invasion has a bit different background behind it. It is not like Putin woke up one day and announced “let’s go play boys!” Also, what is this crap about Donetsk and Luhansk having separatists? If they announced their independence after Ukraine cutting off their water supply and all those shenanigans, why does Ukraine have an issue?
“Providing military equipment to the separatists” is done by USA and NATO countries throughout, and we can discuss Azov Battalion in national military as well.
You can also discuss about the UN resolution vote against Nazism 2 months ago, and why USA always votes “NO” in that vote since the past 15 years.
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US ran a color revolution in 2014 to install a pro western government in Ukraine. This was a long campaign, and even the guardian reported on it back in 2004 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa
and a bit more reporting on recent events from Jacobin https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
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