• @ciko22i3
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    711 months ago

    but if some of my friends dont want to work it they can just sell me the land. And if we produce more food than we need we can sell it so we can buy other things we don’t produce. I dont understand why its wrong to own a farm.

    • @spacewitch@ttrpg.network
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      611 months ago

      Substance farming is different than owning a farm that exists by its own production of food and selling those produced goods at market price.

    • queermunist she/her
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      11 months ago

      Personal property is for personal use. That’s it.

      Once you start to accumulate surplus property then its very obviously not personal anymore. A person that doesn’t want a garden won’t have one to sell you, because they wouldn’t have one in the first place.

      Don’t think in terms of “right” and “wrong”. Think materially.

      • @ciko22i3
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        1011 months ago

        what if their father left them the garden and they want to sell it to me? what if they want to move somewhere else and they decide to sell me their property?

        • @Squizzy@lemmy.world
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          011 months ago

          Inheritance is antithetical to meritocracy is the basis for generational wealth and capitalist dynasties.

          Everything must go, use it lose it.

          • @ciko22i3
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            111 months ago

            What even is your motivation to do more than the bare minimum to survive if not to leave it to your children? I would rather take care of my kids future than let some corrupt government do it who will prioritize their children over mine

              • @yeather@lemmy.ca
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                -511 months ago

                In the entirety of human history communism has never worked. Not once has any society been able to work on the ideals of it.

                • @Squizzy@lemmy.world
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                  111 months ago

                  It’s impossible to uncouple society from capitalism. It’s not a possibility, but it definitely could work. Maybe capitalism just needs longer than communism to fail?

                  The wealthiest country in the world has unaffordable healthcare and homelessness, how is that capitalism working?

                • queermunist she/her
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                  11 months ago

                  Yeah, because the US bombs them or funds terror cells or blockades their economy.

                  Cold War. Communism was hunted and destroyed whereever it arose.

                  • @yeather@lemmy.ca
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                    -311 months ago

                    If communism was so strong it wouldn’t have to worry about capitalist intervention. You just proved my point of communism / socialism being weak if the apparent enemy is easily able to wreck you economy and implode your country it is not a strong system.

            • @Squizzy@lemmy.world
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              311 months ago

              So what are all those people without kids doing?

              Make a better world, build a stronger economy for them excel in and make their own way. I plan on providing the very best for my children to let them go about their life as they see fit and not have to rely on something I might pass down.

              Corrupt governments is a cop out statement too, ideally you wouldn’t stand for government corruption.

        • queermunist she/her
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          -1411 months ago

          A person who could actually assemble a farm through small land acquisitions through the power of friendship probably deserves it tbh

          • @ciko22i3
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            611 months ago

            I wouldn’t really call it friendship. Company is a good word.

            • queermunist she/her
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              -411 months ago

              You’re talking about using your personal connections within the community to slowly assemble a farm from small acquisitions like their deceased father’s garden and then leveraging those connections to find people to help you work the land. People that don’t need to give you their land and don’t need to work your land, they’re actually choosing to do it freely. That’d actually be amazing if it ever happened.

              That basically has zero relation with how farms work under capitalism.

              • @ciko22i3
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                411 months ago

                Freely? No. For money. They can also work for money.

                • queermunist she/her
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                  -511 months ago

                  Except they don’t need money, so it’s still a free choice they’re making.

                  When you don’t need money to have a life worth living and all needs are already provided, any choice to work for money is a free one.

                  • @ciko22i3
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                    211 months ago

                    Who would provide for their needs? Volunteers?

        • queermunist she/her
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          -411 months ago

          The democratically elected central committee, or some other process whereby everyone decides together what our fair share is.

      • @ciko22i3
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        211 months ago

        who even makes farms at that point?

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          -411 months ago

          The government, literally the only option left when you take away the rich and poor.

          • @ciko22i3
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            811 months ago

            And who will make sure they don’t abuse their power? Its basic human nature to be greedy. Who chooses the government? People voting?

            • @Squizzy@lemmy.world
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              -211 months ago

              Well at the moment that’s what we accept and then they set the rules for industry, hardly much added danger in letting them be the industry? More direct rule for the people.

              • @ciko22i3
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                011 months ago

                I’m sorry but i really don’t understand who is “we” and “they”

                How is the government formed? Who makes sure the competent people stay in power and don’t abuse their position? Can anyone become the part of the government?

              • @ciko22i3
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                311 months ago

                Its sad but its true. Not everyone is bad but a lot of people are, if you don’t believe that you are very sheltered.

                • queermunist she/her
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                  11 months ago

                  People aren’t born bad. They’re made that way and they need help.

                  Capitalism has trained you to see your neighbor as your enemy. It’s a tragedy!

                  • @M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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                    211 months ago

                    Odd when I apply this theory to people like say Jeff Bazos it kinda comes off funny.

                    Oh those poor evil billionaires are just needing help, will someone not think of the tragic local monopoly man?

              • BaroqueInMind
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                111 months ago

                Ok then @queermunist , I’m seriously going to call you out on this now: please send me your money.

                Like, seriously.

                Send me all the money you have earned and saved up so far, if you really believe what you said.

                Share your money with me. I’m not greedy, I need your money to live.

                • queermunist she/her
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                  011 months ago

                  It is not greedy to want to live and to have personal property! That’s literally what the OP is about!