“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

  • Zagaroth
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    3311 months ago

    Supporting Ukraine is the only U.S. military action since WW2 that I can truly support. Even our action in response to 9/11 was fucked up.

      • Tretiak
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        -411 months ago

        Ah yes. Good old Joe Biden repositioning his troops from Afghanistan to Ukraine.

    • @TheBelgian@lemmy.ml
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      211 months ago

      As a belgian and therefore european, I disagree. US is making war by proxy here and WE are paying the price.

      I am not for war but I have nothing to justify an irreducible support to Ukraine and interference with Russia.

      NOPE

      • Tretiak
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        711 months ago

        Agreed. This situation is far more complicated than the western mainstream media wants to convince people it is. This wasn’t a conflict that was born at the outset of war. There’s a reason why there’s ‘zero’ mention of things like the Minsk Accords or any considerations given to Eurasian security arrangements. Here’s an excellent primer on the background involved. I’m not at all trying to say what Russia did was justified, but they’ve got far more of a moral plateau to stand on than the US does.

      • DarraignTheSane
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        511 months ago

        Then you are morally okay with Ukraine being wiped off the map and the murder of as many of its citizen as Putin’s army can manage.

        • Tretiak
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          11 months ago

          Dude, do you honestly think Putin is trying to militarily annihilate Ukraine? Especially when he considers Russians and Ukrainians to share the same cultural lineage and history. He made numerous overtures to try and ‘avoid’ a conflict from breaking out. Why was the west so adamantly against laying the framework for a security arrangement that made sense for all the parties involved?

          • DarraignTheSane
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            1311 months ago

            He made numerous overtures to try and ‘avoid’ a conflict from breaking out.

            Putin: “If you allow this country to have protection from me invading it, I’m going to invade it.”
            U.S.: “Yeah… we’re going to consider allowing them protection from you.”
            Putin: “Oh no… somebody stop me from invading this other country…! Here I go, I’m gonna invaaaade…”
            U.S.: “Okay.”
            [Putin invades Ukraine, begins murdering Ukrainians]
            U.S., months later: “Alright that’s enough, we’re going to help these Ukranians to keep you from murdering them.”
            Putin and his sheep: “tHe U.S. iS wArMoNgErInG!!!1!!”

            • Tretiak
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              -211 months ago

              What do you think the Minsk Accords were?

              • @JasBC@beehaw.org
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                311 months ago

                Non-binding treaties negotiated under duress that all fell apart the moment the ink was put to paper, through which Russia tried to control Ukrainian internal affairs?

    • Ninmi
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      111 months ago

      This has been a major reality check for me personally. For years I shook my head at the gargantuan US military budget thinking it’s ridiculous. Fast forward to February 2022 and I realize it’s the US once again cleaning up when Europe shits the bed. Ashamed, thankful and thoroughly convinced we need to spend a whole lot more in defense as well.

      • @JillyB@lemmy.ml
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        811 months ago

        Idk about all that. The US has supported Ukraine and I support that. But Europe has stepped up to the plate too. While US refused to provide long range HIMARS, UK provided Storm Shadow. Poland has donated about all it has. Realistically, the US could drastically reduce it’s defense spending, provide all the support Ukraine could want, and still maintain the largest military force by a large margin.

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          Well that’s what I’m saying. European countries are giving all they’ve got to give while the US hardly breaks a sweat, yet the US provides a disproportionately large amount compared to the rest. Europe would be in a lot more trouble without the US, once again.

          And I agree the UK deserves a lot of credit for pushing the envelope with tanks and long range and being the security provider for Sweden and Finland during the application process.

          • @JillyB@lemmy.ml
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            711 months ago

            I think we mostly agree. I just disagree with your claim that the US should spend more on Defense.

            • Ninmi
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              I didn’t say the US should spend more, but Europe. Speaking as a European. E: trying to see if editing helps this federate.