• deegeese
      193·
      9 个月前

      We sure get a lot of “both sides bad” around here.

      Hard not to be suspicious of their motives.

      • crusa187@lemmy.ml
        141·
        9 个月前

        How to drive voter turnout and create more sides so we’re not just left with two absolutely garbage choices every time:

        Get rid of fucking first past the post. Ranked choice is by far more democratic, and some states have already implemented it to great success. Let’s go already, this needs to be the national standard.

      • Jaytreeman@kbin.social
        71·
        9 个月前

        Voting is the minimum. The reason there’s no decent alternative is because people vote and think they did their part.

        If you’re voting for the lesser of two evils and that lesser is actively supporting genocide, but you’re complaining about people that are saying ‘both sides bad’…

        ‘If you’re curious what you would do to stand up against genocide, you’re doing it now’ - a braver man than me

  • OozingPositron@feddit.clEnglish
    91·
    9 个月前

    If someone tries to throw this at you, remember that it’s an argumentative fallacy, it’s called tu quoque.

    • catacomb@beehaw.orgEnglish
      1·
      9 个月前

      Good to know the name, I’ve seen it invoked a few times.

      In fact, I had this recently at work where I questioned a decision only for them to retort with one similar characteristic which a prior suggestion of mine shared. This was also a modal fallacy as they only used that one characteristic to come to a conclusion about both.

      You also see it all of the time in politics unfortunately, a lot of “yeah but you also…” where we should be hearing good justifications.