I can’t tell you how much of a breath of fresh air it is after ditching Reddit for Lemmy. In my several days of being here, I have only seen ONE asshole! Versus seeing multiple assholes on Reddit! Crazy right?
But seriously, I used Reddit since 2014. I tried using it for therapeutic conversations sometimes. Like going on r/Offmychest or r/Confessions. As I’ve dealt with a lot of trauma in my own life, done some bad things I’m not proud of and needed to get them out…over on Reddit, I was constantly judged. Even if I showed fucking remorse over my actions and made it clear I’m not proud of what I did, 10 years ago for example. And I’d get called a dipshit and an asshole and I need therapy. (Not that I can afford it) It was never genuine, heart to heart conversation. Now after being here on Lemmy and seeing how many kind and amazing people there are, it’s actually starting to encourage me to try again. Maybe I can actually have one on one honest conversations without being called a horrible person despite me showing remorse. That being said, if anyone could point me in the right direction to an offmychest or Confessions community, or instance, I’d appreciate it.
I guess bottom line, you guys are great. The majority at least. It’s such a breath of fresh air from the toxicity and ridicule of Reddit and I greatly appreciate it. Thanks guys, and keep…Lemmying?
(That’s totally a word!)
Welcome to the new Wild West. It is going to be one hell of a ride.
I call those kind of moments “new world” (or redline for the one piece fans)
That kinda vibe of everything is possible, nothing has been done yet
I think it helps we all know we have to keep the community going (and hopefully growing), ain’t no time for trolls and asshole behavior.
I like the fact that I can reply to your comment even though you’re on lemmy and I’m on kbin :)
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You can create multiple accounts, but shouldn’t have to as long as the two instances aren’t bad actors. I think this stance is short sighted and lazy from beehaw.org admins. I expect those communities there to migrate to another instance as the dominant community for the topic.
That’s their prerogative, but it just means I won’t be interacting with communities on beehaw. What’s to say they won’t defederate from the instance I choose for my 2nd or 3rd account in the future?
As you said, it’s their prerogative and I’d add that being able to do so is one of the beauties of the open source decentralized network but I don’t think fragmentation will help the federation as a whole.
Just to play devil’s advocate, and full disclosure my only Lemmy account is on Beehaw, they’re not doing this out of a sense of judgment, they’re very explicitly trying to create safer, friendlier online community, and since lemmy.world has gotten so big with no signup gate, the moderation policy there doesn’t align with theirs and is beginning to impact Beehaw. They claim this is very hopefully a temporary measure at least until there are more robust moderation tools.
That being said, I’ll spend a little more time here on kbin to check out the broader community :-).
Yeah, that’s good, but in practice it just cuts off several top 10 federated communities on Lemmy from being able to be interacted with until that’s addressed. I understand it’s temporary and maybe necessary, but if I want to talk tech right now, there’s no where I can go without creating a new user elsewhere and that kind of sucks as a new user on a new platform that’s trying to put it’s best foot forward.
These are all top 10 communities that now are participation gated to a good chunk of Lemmy’s users. !Gaming@beehaw.org !Technololgy@beehaw.org !news@beehaw.org !linux@beehaw.org !chat@beehaw.org
We should create competing communities and let beehaw stew in their own juices, just like they want.
That’s fine but the logical response to that is to appoint more moderators to deal with the influx of new users. Anyone who isn’t a self-absorbed control freak would at least think about doing that. Beehaw admins seem to think they are so special that only they can do a good job moderating their community.
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It’s a shame, because there are a ton of awesome niche communities on lemmy.world and shitjustworks. I was on Beehaw but I ended up moving to the smaller instance I’m on now so that I can actually access everything.
Man fuck beehaw. They don’t want us? Fine, they can fuck off then.
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Wait what, seriously? This early into the Lemmy saga they cut off the two largest instances from each other? What the hell are they thinking?
They claim to be trying stop trolls. I mean beehaw is one of those instances that seeks positivity so obsessively, you could describe it as “toxic positivity”. Basically they treat it like a church. The other main instances aren’t that strict and wont be defederting for no good reason. Also, the defederation could just be temporarily.
It’s exceptionally selfish to cut apart the community and try to promote your own instance while the Lemmyverse as a whole is experiencing a mass influx of users. This will create confusion and frustration at a time that we should be rolling out the red carpet as a community for the Reddit exodus.
I’m not vibing this so see you later federation is such an odd strategy.
Nah it’s because lemmyworld and sh.it kept on criticising the beehaw admins. The beehaw admins really hate it when people dissent against them, they even used to have rules that you couldn’t talk back to mods or ask them to source their claims.
The whole trolls excuse is weak considering you can view their modlog to see just how little trolls they had to deal with.
It was beehaw that did it. Not .world . Beehaw was the second largest instance before the reddit exodus. Second only to the devs’ instance lemmy.ml which beehaw users missed no chance in telling you it’s run by tankies!
I just don’t see why any instance with a strong philosophy would think they can exist as the largest instance long term. I’m sure with time places like Lemmy.world that have a broad appeal will become the largest. The only question for instances like Beehaw is do they want to A) have all of their major discussion happen in communites run in other instances? B) Have the major Lemmyverse discussion that most alligns with Beehaw’s core values and message happen on Beehaw where they are able to steer it? or C) be a little insulated bubble that doesn’t really participate directly in the wider Lemmyverse discussion even on topics that matter to them?
Any of the three are fine choices (I think the best version of the Lemmyverse is option B) personally) but they are a choice they need to be clear on.
What I’d seen of Beehaw’s own content about what they are, why they exist and what they are trying to do largely suggested they’d be entirely compatible with Lemmy.world so I presumed I was doing something wrong when I couldn’t connect to them from here. If they really just decided to exclude us because we’re growing larger that seems like a mistake. “We don’t talk to large communities” isn’t really a good core value for a community to grow with.
I wonder if the issue is that Beehaw (I’m told) is careful about who they allow to join and so people who wish to cause trouble there are joining other Lemmy instances, not to participate in those other instances but as a backdoor to using Beehaw disruptively. If that is the case, then Beehaw needs to find a more elegant solution or they will have to block contact with any external instance eventually. (Not to mention it is a great shame to block content with a community based on the actions of disruptive people who aren’t actually part of that community.)
Edit: having found their announcement post about this (and digging deep into the discussion) it seems clear that the core of what the team at Beehaw actually think is that the current moderation tools within Lemmy are insufficient to allow them to have open federation with open-signup instances and that once those tools exist (which imo is inevitable) they are keen to try to reoopen federation with instances like Lemmy.world that they don’t have any other issue with. They just… Don’t seem to have that as a very clearly focused notion that they’ve effectively communicated. Which is understandable, everyone running these things is a volunteer learning as they go.
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Nice inflammatory noise
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they don’t want to deal with potential trolls
That’s a bit of a misrepresentation. They said that most of their current actual moderating tasks were due to users from the two defederated instances.
I’m not great at explaining things so thats the most simple way for me to explain it.
people are basically friendly and helpful. Companies drive their revenue which is anything to make you scroll faster
I’m on kbin, but I have the same sentiment. I’ve said in a previous comment elsewhere, but the vibes and atmosphere are a lot nicer here. I hope it stays that way for as long as it can.
Welcome to lemmy! So far my experience has also been wonderful. Just remember it’s our responsibility to keep things this way. It could quickly go a different direction, where all the kind and amazing people get drowned out.
No kidding! It’s a small community, but very friendly, and thus far high-quality in terms of discussions!
See that downvote on my comment? There is someone trying to drown us out.
Well, tell that to beehaw, apparently they were being flooded by trolls and Nazis…
But on the serious note, I totally agree, so far the discussions are so interesting and respectful, even if heated at times.
Did they provide evidence of this? They mentioned that the users they banned usually came from a few instances but then mostly argued it’s too much of a hassle/vibe problem with only 4 mods and went full nuclear.
I read the “about” paragraph of their mission statement of their instance and its just a few people. they have every right to be incredibly sensitive people, prioritizing safety and gentleness at any cost (or so I kinda got that sense).
My generation, I feel, went for a bit of danger in general. punk shows when they were pretty rough, that kind of thing. shooting for absolute safety as your number 1 priority is not something I’m on board with, but I’m old and things change and thats generally a good thing.
we used to shoot roman candles at each other
In my several days of being here, I have only seen ONE asshole! Versus seeing multiple assholes on Reddit!
Ah, yes. I don’t know about the default lemmy settings, but at least on kbin, the default setting for a new account is apparently to hide adult content.
/m/technicallythetruth
Looks like the kbin crew has arrived here with their /m/s lol
it didn’t even cross my mind that other sites would have a different sub-whatever shortcut.
I foresee a lot of banter, bickering and drama about it in the future.
Imagine being one of those /t/ guys. Awful. Can’t be me.Hypothetical, will they go for /m/mbmbam or /m/bmbam?
Hello from kbin ^^
But yes, totally agree. I really like the atmosphere here. I’ve been keeping tabs on Fediverse ever since Matrix started becoming a thing, but this was the push I needed to get into it. And in many ways it feels like the internet of old, before we all consolidated to huge social media sites. But better. I like it.I agree. The only issue I have right now is a population one, which hopefully will change with time!
Honestly lemmy/kbin already has enough users to be an interesting place. I wasted more time here in the last few days than I used to on reddit.
Yeah this place is so welcoming ☺️
I was there at the early days of Reddit. I started using it in 2008, registered in 2009. Lemmy feels a lot like what Reddit was in the beginning, before the enshittification started. A community of actual people, where commenting and posting don’t feel like shouting into the void. Others are just like me, regular people who want to have a conversation and kill some time on the internet.
Im still figuring this out, what is the difference between lemmy and kbin? Im currently using kbin but this post is on lemmy?
In Layman’s terms (cause that’s all I can understand myself lol): If you have grasped the difference between different Lemmy instances at least, think of kbin like just another one, except it’s running a different software than the standard lemmy instances do, but still works on the same protocols so things can still communicate inter-instance.
Least I think that’s the best way to describe it lol
kbin.social and lemmy.world are federated with each other, meaning you see content across both.
Ah awesome, thank you! So you only need an account on one?
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It’s kinda like how you can use your Google account on tons of websites.
Your account exists in only one place, but you can use it everywhere on content that is “Federated”
Only instead of you logging onto those websites to see the content, the content comes to you.So a bunch of these federated sites (instances) use the same protocol (ActivityPub) therefore they can talk to each other. Kind of like email can talk to other email servers using the same protocols (e.g. SMTP).
Mastodon (Twitter Clone) is the largest off all the federated social media software.
Lemmy (Reddit Clone) federates with other Lemmy instances + Kbin instances.
Kbin (Reddit + Twitter Clone) can talk to Lemmy instances via Magazines/Threads and Mastodon instances via Microblogs.
Mastodon is like Twitter. Lemmy is like Reddit. And they both live on the ActivityPub network.
Kbin also lives on ActivityPub. But it has separate Lemmy-style and Mastodon-style areas in its UI.
If you want microblogging and communities, and you want them all in one place, you might like kbin better. If you don’t, you might be fine with Lemmy. But since they’re federated, you should be able to access most of the content from either side.
They’re basically different front ends for accessing the same Fediverse Threads (“Threads” being these Reddit-like posts)
Think of it like cars. My Ford can drive on the same roads as your BMW because they’re both fundamentally still cars, with all the same lights, brakes, etc.
Any Fediverse instance should be compatible with any other of the same type (aka. Threads, Microposts, etc.)
The only other difference is Kbin has separate support for Fediverse Microposting, which means it can federate with Mastodon as well as Lemmy.
Yeah, so I’m on sh.itjust.works but i see your comment and the lemmy.world post from my own instance. Basically each instance has a copy of what everyone else is doing, and can interact between each other as long as they’re “federated”
Aww thank you ❤
Community here seems pretty nice, just waiting for network effects to kick in so we get non Reddit/Lemmy specific content
