hey everyone. if you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout today, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy! Thanks!

  • TauZero@mander.xyzEnglish
    38·
    2 years ago

    I am fascinated by how the experience of other people can be completely different from mine, alien even. We can look at the same situation and come up with exactly opposite conclusions. I keep trying to put myself in the shoes of the other, figure out how they think. The behavior of u/spez is abhorent to me, but here’s how I would imagine he thinks about the community list of demands:

    <AH mode>

    Bringing the API pricing down to the point ads/subscriptions could realistically cover the costs.

    The costs are reasonable and down to earth! We’ve been extremely generous. Our prices are in line with industry standards. The app devs are greedy and do not want to pay. In fact they are so greedy they are choosing to shut down and go out of business rather than pay their fair share! Also some apps are ahem inefficient. Those devs could stay profitable if they just code their apps better.

    Reddit gives the apps time to make whatever adjustments are necessary

    The apps had plenty of time. We’ve been perfectly transparent. The API changes were announced months in advance. The first bills do not arrive until months from now in August, and are not due for another month after that. The apps have enough time if they are serious about working with us.

    Rate limits would need to be per user+appkey, not just per key.

    Rate limits are for the free tier. The paid tier is a flat fee per 1000 API calls without rate limit.

    Commitment to adding features to the API; image uploads/chat/notifications.

    We are always working on new and exciting features! We have so many mod tools in the pipeline. All the hottest features will appear in our native app first, which is where we can best ensure everything stays compatible. Have you tried using that?

    Lack of communication. Why were disabled communities not contacted to gauge the impact of these API changes?

    We are always in communication with our communities! We’ve been discussing these API changes for months, collecting community input, and interacting with our users in AMAs!

    You say you’ve offered exemptions for “non-commercial” and “accessibility apps.” Despite r/blind’s best efforts, you have not stated how they are selected.

    We communicate with developers on an app-by-app basis. We have already confirmed the inclusion of two accessibility apps! We support accessibility for blind people!

    Parity in access to NSFW content

    Cannot be done for lawyercat reasons.

    Now that we have addressed all of the listed community concerns, we are looking forward to welcoming all of you back to reddit!

    </AH mode>

    P.S. the fact that u/spez specifically stated that “old.reddit.com isn’t going anywhere” confirms in my mind that old.reddit will be gone within 9 months. Screenshot this.

    • nyander@beehaw.orgEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      Cannot be done for lawyercat reasons.

      I can’t say for sure, but I suspect they are trying to push nsfw in-house for the sake of monetizing it. Nsfw drives quite a bit of traffic and with the falling out of Imgur, Reddit has become the sole host for such content. They just can’t say that publicly because Reddit has a bit of problem with non-consensual material.

      • TauZero@mander.xyzEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        Right! I was trying to model u/spez as sincere, but with views so diametrically opposed to mine as to sound insane. “Lawyercats” was an actual reason he has cited previously. I agree that the much more likelier explanation is that reddit execs are lying out their ass and are simply deliberately killing of 3rd party apps to make their IPO look better somehow, and using the fuck-you pricing as a convenient excuse. The execs must have been drinking their own start-up cool-aid, having forgotten that the real value of reddit is not in them but in the community. u/spez keeps calling it HIS data that 3rd party apps are profiting off, when it is really OUR data. Or maybe they are aware, but are expecting that they can bend the community to their will regardless.

      • balerion@beehaw.orgEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        But wait. I have a NSFW subreddit, and reddit doesn’t allow you to upload pictures directly to reddit if you’re on an NSFW subreddit. Right? So how can it be the primary host?

    • superfes@beehaw.orgEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      Man, I read your word vomit like 4 times, I believe you are right about all of it.

      I read all of the apps threads about why they’re quitting on the 30th, for Apolo which has already charged its users he would have to foot the costs the whole time until the next subscription re-up for many/most of his users, and we’re supposed to believe the reddit guys?

      For others, even the ones that want to make it work with added subscriptions, the lack of full reddit access via the API makes one wonder, what’s the point of even trying?

      Reddit has been an awful site for nearly 20 years, the only thing that made it usable was third party apps.

      I’m not sure I’m going to miss it, I hated it before 3PA, and I’m willing to hate it again now.

      The only thing I’m going to miss is world news updates and stuff that is here, the volume is basically muted in comparison.