Apologies for the low resolution. It was a mobile ad and all I could get was a screenshot.
You cannot tell me that dude (duddette?) doesn’t have an eating disorder. That looks sickly and horrible.
I am extremely skinny and look unhealthy and kinda similar to the model in that way, even though I eat normally and I think even very healthy. My dad looks like that too. Being 2 meters tall also doesn’t exactly help. Just saying that you shouldn’t judge people so easily and you can hurt someone also pretty easily. Some people just have being fat or skinny in their genes.
Absolutely right. I would not judge you if I saw you at the supermarket. But this dude is the face of a fashion and beauty brand. They are pushing this body type (rarely occurs naturally in healthy folks like you) and mostly occurs on people with health problems. In a way they are pushing a non healthy image to many people that are not like you. I would even dare to say you are a very minuscule porcentage of people with this body type that are 100% healthy so this is being pushed to folks that have lovehandles and now they hate themselves.
the important part is the suggestion that you can look like them by buying prada
Yeah, given that people have different body types, making any type the good one or worse, the right one is just wrong, and beauty business plays a big role in the problem.
Thank you. There’s apparently been a fine line between promoting body acceptance and shitting on thin body types. Some people seem to think it’s not even a natural body type at all and anyone who’s thin is just anorexic. It’s like we’ve been completely left out of the equation unless we’re being looked down on. Yeah, I’m right there with you on this.
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Conservation of energy would maybe disagree with that last statement
Being 2m tall they have to eat quite a bit more than average, and it sounds like they’re not.
Yeah, I’m not much shorter and my daily intake is around 3000kcal. I used to be super skinny too, and that didn’t change until I started eating more than what I thought was “normal”
How?
The way I interpret the comment is that they are saying “If you would eat normally, you couldn’t be that thin.”
It’s a reference to the fact that energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed into a different form.
Which would only make sense if every human body processed every molecule ingested in the exact same way
Not really. Metabolism changes don’t account for that large of a swing in your BMR unless you have a thyroid issue (which is treatable).
I’ve been in the same situation as the dude trying to justify that body type, and he’s just not eating enough to be a healthy weight. You can’t be 6’6" and eat the same amount of food as everyone else. You have to eat quite a bit more.
Except you might not be able to eat that much more if your body tells you you’re full. There are a lot of factors to body weight, with studies suggesting a large genetic factor (40-70%. While theoretically you can (almost) always eat more/less and it’ll affect your weight accordingly, the difficulty of actually doing that will vary heavily by individual.
It’s a reference to the fact that energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed into a different form.
“The way I interpret this comment is” if this is all there is to it, then we should all be the same weight all the time, apparently.
It’s amazing what people think they can “interpret” about another whole entire anonymous human being they know literally nothing about, other than “thin.”
These comments are totally proving the OC’s point though.
Maybe they do, maybe they don’t. I think it’s a bit distasteful to armchair diagnose someone you don’t know, though
It’s also distasteful to encourage eating disorders to enter the modelling industry by exclusively featuring models that are extremely underweight, but I guess who are we to judge…
We are the society and judging other people’s behaviour is what defines morality. Not speaking up about things that are clearly fucked up as the model industry just shifts the whole moral-scale in their favor.
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The fact that you choose to take personally what was a comment about a model in an industry that specifically selects for extremely underweight models regardless of how they achieve that weight doesn’t mean that it was an insult directed at you. You are not the subject here. You may have a unique metabolism, but the industry projects an unhealthy and largely unattainable image for the vast majority of people.
We aren’t ridiculing the model, we’re concerned for their health…
That’s not skinny, that’s starvation thin. The person in the picture is clearly not eating enough, any suggestion otherwise is just giving power to the notion that it’s healthy to be that underweight.
Not eating enough food is an eating disorder, regardless of the cause of it.
But when they’re extremely overweight from their eating disorder, that’s body positivity and needs to be included for those people to not feel excluded?
Why are the only options the extremely underweight or the extremely overweight? What wrong with just using people of average weight? Or even just a healthy weight?
The fashion business seems to thrive on either body positivity or body negativity, but not body neutrality. If you feel neutral.about you body, I guess that doesn’t prompt you to spend a ton of money on products to celebrate or disguise it.
Meh, I dated a girl thinner than that. People were always making comments like yours, but to her face.
She had one barely functioning kidney. Dumped her because she was foul tempered, but I heard she got a transplant!
But yes, eating disorder is a fair guess for a model like that.
She had one barely functioning kidney. Dumped her because she was foul tempered, but I heard she got a transplant!
Good to know…
I used to look like that from ages 15 to 30. I was eating 6000 calories a day to maintain my weight. I don’t know about that dude (dude is gender neutral), but it is possible they are struggling to not lose weight. Unlikely, but possible.
Someone who eats 6000 calories a day cannot look like this. It is not scientifically possible. That energy has to go somewhere and unless you’re sprinting continuously for hours on end it’s just not happening.
Yet I did. 135 pounds and 6’2” for 15 years. You are assuming that everyone absorbs nutrition equally or that people burn at the same rate. I was a human space heater and, because my blood pressure was too low to get a driver’s license, I was walking up to 7 miles a day. But that exercise probably didn’t make a dent in anything.
I’m not here to say what your experiences are. I just have some numbers. The total daily energy expenditure of the average male of that weight and height aged 18-30 who does intense exercise daily is around 3300 calories a day and this is on the high range which means if one were to consume 6000 calories a day and use 3300, they would still have 2700 calories still in their body. A pound of fat is about 3500 calories therefore at that rate you would gain approximately 23 pounds a month. I’m not arguing. Just saying the numbers don’t add up.
“average” is doing a lot of lifting there. And, again you are assuming normal absorption of calories. The numbers don’t add up because you aren’t considering all the variables. What’s the calorie need differential between an ectomorph and an endomorph? What role does hormone and thyroid play?
Yes, you are arguing. You might be using math but you are saying I wasn’t me.
What’s the calorie need differential between an ectomorph and an endomorph?
None. Somatotypes are a pseudoscience and have been completely debunked.
What role does hormone and thyroid play?
The difference between the “fastest” and “slowest” metabolism in healthy people of the same weight is at most 300kcal per day, which is significant, but couldn’t account for a missing ~3k surplus per day
There are however several conditions which cause the body to simply not to process food (malabsorption is the term to look up), which is what must have been happening to you.
It’s very common for people to misestimate their calories by massive amounts, which is why people are expressing doubts, but what you’re describing is a real thing that happens
The variables don’t matter because even if they were included, they wouldn’t make up for the lost calories. Oh well. It’s not important.
Saying variables don’t matter is cheating at math and taking a very simplified view of metabolism of food intake. It was very important to me when I was counting every calorie and tried to lose any weight because 5 lb could send me to the hospital.
People have different metabolism rates, especially in younger ages.
You’re either lying on the Internet (impossible!) or you had some serious disease that you failed to mention in your comment. Mitchell Hooper, weighing around 140 kg, was eating around 5500 kcal when he won worlds strongest man.
Seriously. No one’s eating 6,000 calories a stay and looking like the dude in the post.
No illness. Just unlucky. Why would use use a world class body builder, literally the most exceptional human to ever exist as your point of comparison? That’s like saying anyone could play Conan the Barbarian if they just toned up a little.
No, you’re missing the point. Point is that even 500kcal less than your claimed daily intake will put into a 100++kg body weight, even if you’re an elite athlete.
Unless you eat like Askeladden, there is absolutely zero chance you were eating anywhere close to 6000kcal a day if you didn’t have medical condition that tampered with your intake.
Don’t spread misinformation, especially about a topic that is already so heavily mired with it.
Except I was and I did. It’s not misinformation. It’s experience. But thanks for trying to invalidate 15 years of my life with zero information other than a basic understanding of calories and not figuring in any other metabolic factors.
Maybe you did consistently eat 6000kcal and 70% of it went right through your system and into the toilet, but then you had a medical condition that you didn’t treat. Maybe a small village of tapeworms in your stomach, but no healthy person eat nearly three times as much as a normal man and stay underweight.
I spent three years going to doctors and at the end of the day it was suggested that I eat red meat salt on my food and drink alcohol to keep my blood pressure up because there was nothing they could do for my metabolism.
So you don’t know how to count calories. Just say that.
Except I did. If I got behind I would lose pounds.
My brothers were swimmers and skinny and small (and really fast, won national titles) and that combination of young, male, and active does create a black hole of metabolism. I also had a friend who was 6’6" and 140lb but healthy too, poet not athlete. He ate, it’s just hard to eat enough to fund that much height.
The model though, that’s an aesthetic choice not an aspirational body type. Androgynous and otherworldly is what I think they are going for. It’s not mainstream attractive, certainly.
Who are they advertising to? Emaciated cross dressing men with bad haircuts?
It’s a growing demographic
There’s dozens of us. Dozens!
Yet surprisingly, not a “growth” industry. I’ll see myself out.
Food is getting expensive these days!
And they’re advertising sacks to them?!
Tailoring clothes to a body is much easier when it’s 2D.
Moisturize me!
It’s the bitchy trampoline!
I had just rewatched this last night!
They’re just walking hangers which are sometimes decorated.
The ad aside, I just don’t understand the appeal of paying $3,000 for a handbag when a $20 handbag will can do just the same thing. The only thing I can think of is people think they look cool or rich or better if they have a Prada handbag, but frankly, who gives a shit what kind of bag someone has? And second of all, if I saw you with one I wouldn’t think you are cool at all. I would think you’re the dumbest person alive.
While it’s true that you hit a point of diminishing returns, there’s a sharp divide between, say, a $200 bag and a $20 bag. Technically a plastic shopping bag will serve the same purpose as a purse, but it’s likely to break in less than a day. A $20 bag might last a few months of daily use if you’re careful, but it’s going to have cheap/non-durable materials, have cheap findings, and be poorly made. At $200, the odds are pretty high that it’s going to be well made, use solid materials that will last, and have fittings that aren’t going to corrode, fall off, or break in a few months.
I have a designer wallet that I’ve used every day for over 15 years, and while it looks beat up, it’s still fully intact. I averaged about one every 3-4 years before I got this one.
See also: Cap’n Vimes boots theory of socioeconomic unfairness.
To be fair I’ve got a wallet from AliExpress that still works fine after 5 years. Unfortunately quality and price are not the same thing. Sometimes expensive stuff is made as cheaply as possible. As a consumer it’s not always that easy to know when you are fooled.
Also it’s not really true anymore that a good brand is still good. Lots of good brands decided to produce inferior products for higher profits. I think it’s probably because a brand is bought by some investment firm that wants to maximize profits.
The thing is that cheap stuff is almost guaranteed to be of bad quality, so that becomes a lottery where your chances of getting a decent quality get higher with higher bid but never 100%
I got obsessed with designer replicas - I didn’t buy many but I loved looking at comparisons on repladies… and the cheaper dupes were often much better made and quality controlled than the authentics. We’re still talking a few hundred for the bag but the genuine ones can be 10 or even 100 times the price. I know this isn’t what you were talking about btw. It’s definitely better to spend a bit more on a bag… or anything, for quality!
Doesn’t pretty much every wallet survive for ever. As long as it’s leather or something else durable.
My leather wallet has had random bits of recycled cardboard used to add stiffness falling out of it for a while now. It still functions, but I’m pretty sure some of the pockets are now more accurately tunnels to other pockets.
Leather comes in varying qualities. Thread can break if the wrong thread is used. Snaps can fall off if they aren’t set correctly, and they can corrode if they’re plated badly.
I just don’t understand the appeal of paying $3,000 for a handbag when a $20 handbag will can do just the same thing.
The appeal is that a $3,000 handbag sends a signal, one that you have $3,000 to spend on a handbag and are the type of person who would do such a thing.
Exactly. Our society worships money. It’s really not that hard to grasp.
So why do people buy 3000 dollar mechanical watches when a 20 quartz dollar watch can keep time better? Why do people buy 300 dollar mechanical keyboards when a 20 dollar rubber dome can also get words on your PC screen? Why do people spend thousands of dollars on Magic the Gathering cards when you can buy the same number of cards for 20 dollars?
Being into designer fashion isn’t much different than other expensive hobbies, and the cost benefit of a hobby item is the last thing on the mind of any enthusiast provided they can afford it.
So where do I fit in with my 20 dollar mechanical keyboard?
Entry level expensive hobby?
If you have many millions of dollars lying around it might make sense, for the same reason it might make sense to a normal person to spend a few dollars on an item they could instead spend 50 cents for a cheaper version of if they wait a few months for slow shipping from China. What a pricetag means to you changes depending on how much you have to spend.
Yes, but you and I aren’t the market for these. There are a lot of dumb, impressionable people, and some of them have money too.
I like these brands cuz they’re like “from the rich, to the rich” kind of things. It has nothing to do with the rest of us. And we don’t understand them either, like I recently bought some nice looking shoes made in probably some Chinese factory and they’re gonna last me for years. Same thing with some branded shoes just more expensive, it’s not they last longer or anything either cuz planned obsolescence.
So, where does body positivity start and stop? It seems silly to say one extreme is acceptable but the other isn’t.
Now, I worry body positivity, in general, encourages people to ignore the need to make life style changes for their own personal health, but also, maybe, if it’s not my body, it’s none of my fucking business.
if it’s not my body, it’s none of my fucking business.
Please don’t be obtuse. When it gets put into an ad campaign aimed at me and the 99.9% of other people where looking like would be extremely bad for our own personal health, it becomes our business.
Look at it another way, a year ago would you have said to an antivaxxer / antimasker “who am I to judge”? The effects here are much more subtle and take more time, but the same logic applies, and the results of inaction are no less insidious.
So sure, all right, maybe a single person might be all right without a vaccine/without a mask/eating only 30 calories a day, but that is not something that should be encouraged. And the dumbass republicans/marketers who spread this behavior should be called out and shamed.
Obesity is also extremely bad for our own personal health so we should stop seeing obese people in ads too right?
How many ads actually have obese people in them? I don’t such any online but I haven’t had stuff like broadcast cable for ages. Is it a thing?
It’s quite common because companies want to market to people by seeming relatable and wouldn’t you know it, for a lot of people being overweight is relatable so you see it a lot more in advertising now.
It’s definitely become a thing within the past decade, especially with products/ads directed more towards women. Remember that obese is not “Jabba the Hutt” levels of fat, and someone who looks like this is far past obese at 5’4" (1.61m) and 200lbs (90kg). Then, you have companies like Dove ( with ads like their “Body Positive Trailer” showing characters that are well past Class III obesity. That’s an extreme example, but it’s become quite common overall to show severely overweight people as “normal”
Companies have realized that people are getting fatter and fatter globally, so like any good capitalists they’re going to take advantage of it. It shouldn’t come as any surprise that Dove is owned by Unilever, who is also the world’s largest producer of ice cream, and suddenly their push for “body positivity” makes a bit more sense.
Now, before people go and attack me, I think that there have been many positive changes in how people are being more realistically portrayed in media and appreciate the push for more realistic body standards. Shaming people for looking “different” is not okay, and that includes being overweight.
However, what’s not okay in my mind is how quickly it’s become “being severely overweight is totally okay if you #slay queen, yaaaas”. I’ve noticed a growing trend of these types of ads, generally portraying black/PoC women (who are already statistically far more likely to become obese) who are hundreds of pounds overweight as doing all kinds of “fitness” and/or “boss babe” kinds of activities, which seems like they are trying to convince the broader audience that it’s totally okay to be 200-300lbs overweight because this obese black girl was shown wearing athletic wear.
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Yeah I go to target and the mall and etc and see obese (women in particular) being used to advertise.
Yes? I don’t know what kind of gotcha you thought you had but it didn’t work out too well.
I’ve encountered lots of people in real life and the Internet who think it’s perfectly acceptable to be obese(health at every size, etc), there’s a whole anti diet campaign and everything. I’m glad you personally don’t feel that way, I agree with you the extremes in either direction are unhealthy. But let’s not pretend like that is some unheard of viewpoint.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I will never say a single unkind word to an obese person, I was there too once and know how hard it is, but lets not pretend it’s healthy to be that way either.
I completely agree. I would never be mean to anyone for their size because that’s not kind. I am overweight, I was obese. I’ve been working on listing weight. I’ve been there. I love food. There is this stigma that saying that being fat is bad means you’re attacking someone. It’s simply the truth, we have the data. It’s not healthy. We know this, science knows this.
Looks anorexic to me. Hope they are fine
I looked a lot like that as a teenager while going through some growth spurts. I ate like an elephant (1990s taco tuesdays at Taco Bell we’d each get a 12 pack after school), but I was still 150-160 at 6’3” (60 something kilos and 190something cm).
This person might be a little lighter, but I couldn’t put on muscle to save my life back then. Not till I was in my 20s did I get above 170.
Edit: forgot how to divide by 2.2…
In High School I was a 5’9" burly 165 lbs dude I was doing like 25 pullups on door frames, but after that life kind of went sideways and I lost the weight and strength and I’ve never been back to that weight again.
I did continue to grow to 5’11" tho so thats a consolation prize.
but I was still 150-160 at 6’3” (30something kilos and 190something cm).
150-160 lbs is definitely not “30 something kilos”. It’s more than double that, around 70 kg. Just FYI or for any other weird-unit users out there who aren’t familiar with standard kg. 😅
When I read 190cm and 30kg, I was kinda shocked
That would look like a skeleton, I’m pretty sure. 😅
They? Who?
I legitimately thought this was a joke, at first. Like taking some internet meme I’m unfamiliar with and putting it in an ad for Prada.
The guy doesn’t look much better, just drowned in a suit
Looking at other photos though Prada seem to prefer models this skinny
Is Prada trying to bring back the baggy suit look? Please no, it was horrible.
Yuck.
Gender doesn’t matter (and can’t be determined) this is ugly thin and ugly haircut to the extreme.
Weight aside, that haircut is atrocious.
Because body positivity isn’t for skinny people.
There are some truly skinny people, but most don’t look this emaciated. If they showed different body types, then you might have something.
What stage is the cancer?
5/7
Body image issues aside, I just could not imagine going through life with so little upper and lower body strength. Just seems so impractical and inconvenient to choose to be this way.
I agree completely. Same with the long fingernails and huge boob implants! Why would you choose to make yourself more useless? It seems so silly…
Low self-esteem is gonna do that to you.
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Troll right? that comment was unnecessary and inflammatory. Inb4 another paragraph from you full of argumentative bullshit 🙄
You’re just repeating someone else’s sypthities regarding different people with body image issues. If this were a child who got anorexia through exposure to pop culture, then their responsibility to their condition is lessen, but these are fashion models. They’re the ones perpetuating the toxic cycle. They’re grown adults who have the resources to remove themselves from the situation and seek help. If they’re not the ones choosing to be this way, then who is?
Jesus fuck this is literally starvation
I still don’t understand who these ads are targeted at. The model is well past looks-attractive skinny and into to looks-unhealthy skinny. Does that make someone want to buy an expensive purse?
This isn’t mild.
