• Umbrias@beehaw.org
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        1 year ago

        “Willful extinction” is not a productive way to end climate change.

        You won’t convince people, so it’s DOA, but it’s also philosophically weak in the face of alternative views. Alternatives which also theoretically have humans in them and don’t obliterate the environment exist, meaning you are on the back foot here to justify an anthropocentric philosophy.

        “Why do you think people should exist?” Can be an interesting discussion, but as an argument it’s not a great one.

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          You won’t convince people, so it’s DOA

          That pretty much sums up any approach by humans to do something about what’s happening to the planet. Anything anyone throws out is realistically DOA.

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            1 year ago

            Maybe. I think sometimes we get disillusioned because incremental progress is hard to feel in the face of systemic momentum, but things are getting better. Often in ways that are far less …genocidey… Than willful extinction.

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          1 year ago

          You won’t convince people

          I don’t have to. Birth rates in the developed world are plummeting.

          And unless I’m mistaken, you are the one trying to convince people right now.

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            1 year ago

            Birth rates are plummeting to maintain what will probably be around 13 billion. That’s wildly distinct from willful extinction.

            I… What? You made a post saying people should do x, I responded. Yeah we’re both trying to convince people of a thing, I’m not sure I see how that is actually relevant.

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      1 year ago

      There’s nothing inherently bad about eating meat. We’ve been doing it for 100s of thousands of years. It’s that there are too many freaking people. I judge people way more when I see them with offspring, then I do their dietary consumption.