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Tesla Cybertruck’s stiff structure, sharp design raise safety concerns - experts::The angular design of Tesla’s Cybertruck has safety experts concerned that the electric pickup truck’s stiff stainless-steel exoskeleton could hurt pedestrians and cyclists.
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Gonna be real fun to see the crash test rating.
Without crumple zones, all of the kinetic energy goes into the occupants.
OTOH it weighs almost 7000lbs (~3100kg) so it’s going to plow through most of everything with its sheer mass.
You’d be surprised how much a concrete pillar holding up an overpass can actually take. They don’t break like in the movies, they are specifically designed to take big truck impacts and not fail. Anybody crashing a Cybertruck at highway speeds into one of those is instantly turned into red colored mashed potatoes.
Anybody crashing a Cybertruck at highway speeds into one of those is instantly turned into red colored mashed potatoes
Why does that sound delicious 😭
It is! In a pressure cooker, you can cook beets in a basket over a layer of potatoes and garlic cloves. The beet drippings turn the potatoes pinkish-red. Super fun for kids.
But has the pressure cooker been crash tested
Or you can just hang out under a highway overpass with a scoop and a cooler
Free range. Sustainable harvest. Recycling. Sounds good!
Eat the rich?
We have barriers good enough to stop a fully-loaded semi in effectively zero distance.
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Go hit a 10"+ tree in a pickup and see how fast you stop. You can wander over and pick the engine up when it flies out the hood. The tree will loose some bark.
Been there, done that. 0/10. Do not recommend.
Same, hit a small (maybe 5") tree going about 60mph. Came to a complete stop immediately and put my head through the windshield. We went and peeled the license plate off the tree the next day.
I guess it put a little mark on the tree but it was basically fine, completely destroyed the car though.
For me it was a rather large tree that I hit at about 100km/h (+60mph). Tree was fine. Car, not so much. The ambulance ride was nice though, and the first responders thought we were extremely lucky to be alive.
Wear your seat belts kids.
I thought a car had to have that before it went on sale?
Believe it or not in the USA it’s actually based off of self compliance in the USA. There is no specific government body that has a standardized test that they have to pass to be made legal. The manufacture gets to make that decision themselves, then if there is an issue that the government finds later they can be pulled from the road.
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Believe it or not in the USA it’s actually based off of self compliance
Oh I believe it.
I hope they get pulled from the road. Problem is, he’ll just bribe some government officials
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Yeah have you seen the footage it’s as stiff as the rod up musks butt hole
Here you go:
That’s… computer generated. BeamNG maybe?
I’m pretty sure that’s BeamNG, yeah. That sand looks like a texture from Johnson valley, I’m pretty sure the wall they’re hitting is either a gas station or a garage model that was placed on a road, and the skid marks from the tires look the same as they do in BeamNG. You can see body panels and doors clipping through the body of the truck on several occasions, too.
Looked convincing at first, but it felt too clean- Then at 7 seconds in, you can watch a white panel clip straight through the door and windshield lol
Yeah, without a disclaimer and evidence it’s modeled correctly it’s just straight misinformation at this point.
Second crash, the body part above the front wheel goes straight through it.
Look at the name of the channel too.
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Wow looks unsafe as fuck!!
Thanks for sharing! How do I know if this is good or bad haha
Couldn’t trust the truck enough to put a dummy in the seat.
Considering it’s rendered, they might as well just toss a human in.
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Because unless they have been outright lying in all of their specs, the entire body is made up of the same thick stainless steel that they have shown to be literally bulletproof.
It’s 4x as thick as current sheet metal used in other vehicles, and twice as thick as the steel bumpers used in old cars that didn’t have crumple zones.
That combined with the fact that they have stated that all of the strength and rigidity for the truck comes from the exoskeleton, that would preclude being able to crumple.
They have not made safety a priority in anything on this monstrosity. The windows are are all laminated and shatterproof, meaning you can’t break them to escape if there’s a fire or you end up underwater and the body is bulletproof meaning that it can’t be torn open with the jaws of life if you need to be extracted.
It’s a giant metal coffin.
I don’t know what the hell you’ve been reading, but they’ve never claimed the entire truck is solid stainless steel. Just the exterior panels.
they claimed that the exterior panels would be able to add to the rigidity and strength of the truck. Not that it was 100% rigid or that the exterior made up 100% of the structural strength.
The interior is still basically just a regular aluminum body like all their other cars.
Windows will shatter just like any other car window, and a jaws of life would pull apart that tin can no problem.
The side windows are laminated like a windshield. They are explicitly designed not to shatter.
They are just regular tempered glass. That might have been the BS they claimed at the original announcement, but that did not make it to the production version.
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What photos?
I’m not sure you should be talking about others sharing disinformation when the crash tests were only released 8 days ago.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a46011736/tesla-cybertruck-crash-test/
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So when you said:
The vehicle was crash-tested a long time ago. Just look at the photos.
You meant “just look at the video that was released a little over a week ago?” Because it sure didn’t look like that’s what you meant.
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Ah, so it’s all from your incorrect assumptions about how materials work.
I know it’s fun to bash Tesla every now and then for their ridiculous things.
But do you really think, after making 4 vehicles with top of the line safety, that they will just say ‘eh, fuck it’ with the cybertruck?
It’s an aluminum casting base construction, just like the Model Y, so why would there be no crumble zones?
Because they wanted it to be bullet proof.
The safety standards are a regulatory requirement. They have to pass the same tests as any other vehicle.
Not in the US. We don’t have many safety regulations on vehicles and crash tests are not mandatory.
Correct. Especially large trucks are further exempted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Motor_Vehicle_Safety_Standards
How many more should we have?
How does getting rid of crumple zones facilitate that?
It doesn’t, not directly, however, the materials used in the exterior paneling contributes to the lack of safety in the vehicle and in crash tests, not only because of the materials, but also because of the shape of the panels and how they are joined.
There are crumple zones, they’re just not as big as those in competing trucks. But yeah, the safety comparison is probably negligible, what really makes me think it’s a bad truck is the design of the bed. It’s got slanted walls. That really limits what you can haul and how you can get it into the bed.
Let’s be real. No one is hauling anything in this truck. In my experience the more expensive truckk the less its actually used for anything.
The entire cybertruck fleet hauling completed by 2030 is probably the equivalent to one year of 01 Nissan Frontiers…
Yeah the practicality of the cybertruck is definitely questionable!
That actually would be on brand for Musk.
Really think they will just say ‘eh fuck it’
Were talking about Elon here. Yes, I do think so. In addition, don’t give too much credit, the other vehicles would always be inherently safer because they’re electric.
Ah yes, inherent safety can naturally be disregarded in such considerations.
Seriously, having been hit by a fairly rounded Impreza at low speed that still did significant damage, I’m shivering at the thought of what these edges would do to soft tissue and bone in the same conditions. The pressure at the contact points would be dramatically higher.
Sorry about that.
Holy shit you were the driver?
Well, I drive an Impreza and I did hit a pedestrian at low speed several years ago, so probably.
It’s a small lemmy.world.
Yeah cars should definitely not be colliding with people. The results are horrible. Welcome to civilization with cars, where our overall strategy for minimizing the death cars to do pedestrians is based on collision avoidance rather than making car-pedestrian collisions safe.
Making car-pedestrian collisions safe is a ridiculous idea failed to doom from the start. Cars are big and hard, people are small and squishy.
I think the key is to prevent cars and people from coexisting as much as possible.
Making car-pedestrian collisions safe is a ridiculous idea failed to doom from the start. Cars are big and hard, people are small and squishy.
My quite large awd minivan that can tow 3500 lbs and fit a massive amount in the back has a hood that slopes down quickly to about a waist height. God forbid if I hit someone, they would clearly be scooped up onto the hood, which might sound bad but literally every single new pickup (with basically the same specs as my minivan on paper except with less capable AWD because of no weight in the back and a bed that doesn’t come with a cover like mine did) is basically designed to try to hit a pedestrian in the shoulders and head and smash them down under the vehicle. This isn’t a hypothetical safety thing, pedestrian fatalities are raising at an alarming rate because it has become cool for insecure men to drive around pickups that are optimized to kill a pedestrian in an accidental crash. Also, the rear cab seats of these pickups are extremely dangerous in a crash (there isnt any space to cushion collision) which is dark given that I always see losers driving around their whole family in these monstrosities treating it like a family vehicle.
I agree though that kicking cars out of places that pedestrians are in and valuing pedestrian use of public ways over car use especially in urban areas is ultimately the best solution.
That is what you get when you slack on pedestrian safety. This a regulations problem, not a Tesla problem.
However, under the federal government’s current safety rating system, known as the New Car Assessment Program (NCAP), almost every vehicle gets a four- or five-star rating. That’s because the system only takes into account the safety of those within cars, not all the people walking, pushing strollers, biking, or taking transit outside them.
Brings back some “carmageddon” nostalgia though.
Yeah, this cybertruck would fit right into the game.
They even got that low-polygon aesthetic.
Hmm, that is a game I haven’t played in two decades.
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This thing is huge, it does 0-60 in under 3 seconds, has sharp angles, and its styling does not seem to target the sensible end of the market… It’s like an industrial strength pedestrian destroyer.
And as a bonus it actually looks like something out of Carmageddon.
I shudder to think what one of those cybertrucks would do if it tried to plow through a crowd of protesters.
Probably about the same thing as any other vehicle.
Jesus are we really gonna pretend this is the first vehicle that would obliterate a pedestrian in a collision?
Probably 0-60 in 4 seconds
It’s actually a pussy-magnet.
Even the pasty-facediest of incels will have no problems getting laid showing up in one of these bad boys.
It’s just how the world works 🤷
Help, I bought a Cybertruck and now every cat in town is chasing me!
I hear it has preprogrammed wait times for replying to text messages from females based on the redpill algorithm.
Have you actually had any form of friendship or relationship with a women in the past couple of years?
Comon… sarcasm is not always obvious… but his comment was sarcasm. It has to be. I choose to believe it is.
I would like to hear from the women of Lemmy- how many of you would have sex with a man just because they drove a Cybertruck?
could hurt pedestrians and cyclists
I dare you to convince me that anyone still buying Tesla would not see that as a benefit. That’s going to be the number one selling point of this thing after articles like this make their rounds.
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Did you buy your Tesla since Elmo when full fash, and would you buy one now if you didn’t have one already?
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There’s giant POS and the there’s Elon Musk
Not convinced cows look a whole lot like maps tho they have too many legs etc
You have to be a special kind of stupid to think Musk is unique among billionaires.
His only ‘uniqueness’ is the brand that’s attached to his name. If you notice, he behaves exactly like all other celebrity billionaires, such as Trump and Kanye.
Every controversy is just free advertising for their brands.
You’ll notice OP wasn’t comparing billionaires, they were comparing automotive CEOs. So that’s a scarecrow argument. All of the other automotive CEOs have an order of magnitude less wealth than Musk.
He has the wealth of a nation state and owns one of the world’s largest social media sites, a rocket company, a car company, and actively promotes far-right hate speech and meddles in international politics.
At least he isn’t giving out copies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
The automotive CEO most similar to Musk is probably Henry Ford, and I’m honestly not sure which one is worse.
Trump, Kanye, musk etc are the weird ones. Very wealthy people are actually likely to hide from the public and only seek the attention of their ridiculously wealthy peers or whomever they want to
buyinfluence, not from the entire world population with every brainfart they produce. It’s just the very top few has a hard time avoiding it because they’re on top of the lists and stand out. Kanye or trump are still * far* away from that wealthiest top. Look at the list of 1bn-80bn worth person: many you’ll barely have heard of before, if at all. It gets even more so if you ditch the Anglo-Saxon centered view on the list and look at the most wealthy people in China, Middle East etc
How many others run a social media platform catered to fashists?
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Why the fuck do people hate on the one class of people using the most efficient form of transportation that also provides exercise in a world that can’t stop spewing greenhouse gasses (For electric cars, those greenhouse gasses are being spewed at the power plant instead of from the car itself) and people don’t get enough exercise?
Fucking. Madness. Cyclists should be applauded and not targeted.
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I’d like to see the information debunking this. In my area, 89% of power is from fossil fuels. My naive understanding of this is that this will still generate emissions, although I would expect the capabilities of reducing harmful emissions to be much better at a power plant instead of having to build it into every vehicle. So my thinking is that emissions are still happening, just not necessarily where people are living and with better emissions management.
Damn, the parent comment to mine got deleted, so nobody will see this anyway.
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I don’t know about other cities, but locally we have a very nice and well paved city-spanning network of bicycle paths that are parallel to, but separate from, the city streets. And we have a group of guys on their $10k bikes who ignore these paths to ride three across in a lane during rush hour on roads that will beat their wheels square, ignoring all red lights and stop signs. They make it hard for me to ride, because I get associated with these people by virtue of riding a bike.
People don’t hate cyclists. They hate those cyclists.
This is of course excluding those who hate everything which isn’t horrible for the planet. They hate bikes, electric cars, smaller cars that don’t burn much gas, vegetables, and any woman with a spine.
Most efficient?
Human bodies are god awful at converting fuel to useful mechanical energy.
I’m pretty sure they meant most efficient in terms of emissions, not energy conversion. Even if you count farting as emissions, bikes put out basically no emissions. You’d have to get 100% of your electricity from renewables to match them in an electric car.
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Poor energy conversion means more emissions. 🤦♂️
Are you honestly going to tell me that you think a person riding a bicycle produces more emissions than a person driving a car?
I’m sure that would be relevant if my body was attempting to push an entire car to work every day. When I cycle to work, I’m carrying at most 15 kilos of bike and belongings with me. With the efficiency multiplier of gears and wheels, I believe my 8 kilometer trip burns about 200 kilocalories. I don’t think that much energy will move an entire 2000 kilo car very far at all, whether it’s powered with electricity or petrol.
And how much food does that require you to ingest? What did it take to produce that food, deliver it to you, and take it away when you shat it out?
So easy to ignore all the inbound energy that was utilized for your body to produce 2kc.
200 kcals is like 1/10 of the average person’s daily intake, so maybe 1/3 of an average meal? Not much at all, comparatively. If you’re still concerned about efficiency, slap a small electric motor on the bike, but even a fully human-powered bike is more energy efficient than driving an entire car.
I’ll give you an honest answer. I live in a rualish area. There’s a 2 lane highway that’s roughly 50 miles from my city to another one. 55 and a lot of blind curves. Farmers in semi trucks use that road all the time for hauling stuff.
Every summer there’s a pack of cyclists that try that route. They barely do 25. Every summer one of them does on one of the corners. You simply can’t stop a semi fast enough when something is doing half the speed limit, especially on a sharp corner.
They’re a fucking menace. There literally hundreds of miles of trails to ride in my area, but they have to be on that one particular road. They’re simply the most self centered assholes in the universe IMO.
That sounds like a problem with your county. If that many people are dying, wouldn’t it be worth building a separated bike path?
We have one…they don’t use it.
I don’t know his county specifically, but often times the roads are designed to fit in an area, with a set number of lanes, and built to that width. You cant add bike paths with out redesigning, buying more land, and building miles amd miles of path. And for what? Five bozos to ride through in fair weather?
Not enough benefits to justify the costs. Plenty better things to spend money on.
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What part of 55 and blind curve do you not understand?
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You might want to look up the stopping distance of a semi at 55.
Yeah,itd be one thing if they were using it for transport and actually not blocking traffic and being safe about it, but none of that is true. They all think they’re Lance Armstrong or something, and its the tour de france. People have places to be!
That’s the crux of it. They could ride on the sidewalk and slow down…or they could simply move over and let traffic pass. But they don’t. It’s some holy war to piss off as many people as possible while wearing spandex.
All the hardcore cyclists I’ve known are miserable insufferable people so it makes sense. Middle managers on their second or third marriages that hate their lives. There’s plenty of sport out there that offers superior fitness and doesn’t do damage to your prostate…but, whatevs.
You have serious issues and world view problems to even begin to think things like that about people.
I mean yeah that could be it. Or more likely; they are joking.
Why do you believe they are joking? What indicates that especially with this behavior being common?
Oh fuck off, this behavior is not “common” more often than not people say shit like this to get a raise out of someone, or as a joke in the “image people actually behaving like this” way.
I’m sorry but that’s not right at all, and people do actually think like this in the US and it is common.
It just read their other comments and realize they’re not.
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“Raises”?
That was a concern the day it was unveiled years ago
Yeah but actual production models only became available Dec 1st, and production is still low until sometime next year without any additional delays.
Don’t they have to safety test these things before they sell them?
That seems like an odd reply to my comment about how the safety and other concerns are as much a concern now as they were when the cybertruck was announced.
I guess to answer your question, USA vehicles go through nhtsa.gov certification process that requires a bare minimum safety features and then assesses a star rating for safety, both of which are specific to the class of vehicle in question. However, Early and Late release models do not appear to require NCAP ratings and sometimes trigger recalls such as the 2016 TESLA MODEL X P100D SUV AWD Later Release.
It did make the news when Cybertruck Crash Testing videos were made public 5 days ago, but no rating has been made available online yet.
I updated my reply, sorry for seeming standoffish.
It looks exactly like a ‘rad car’ that I doodled in my social studies notebook after slamming two bottles of Robitussin.
You should take Tesla to court for stealing your idea
And get the judge to make them pay damages in the form of pallets of Robitussin!
maybe that would be the outcome in a fever dream episode of Judge Judy.
That front trunk just looks like a guillotine
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He’s going the distance
and he’s going for speed
“Let them fly private.”
He ate it all
Again, this whole thing smacks of some entitled person (hmmm, who though?) who knows nothing, making design decisions that are stupid and self indulgent.
I call it “The Homer”, just like the episode where Homer designed a car. You know the result…
No I don’t
Homer designed his own car, ignoring any advice from the designers and engineers who worked at the company, and ends up bankrupting said company cause no one likes the car.
I call it, the “HomerTruck!”
I don’t like Teslas, Musk or the cyber truck but it can’t be any more dangerous than the 4 ft wall of radiator traditional pickups have now. Not saying this isn’t a concern but I am way more concerned about the millions of pedestrian crushing rolling walls already on the road.
I’m pretty sure it actually is significantly more dangerous. The front end of traditional pickups will still crumple and absorb a great deal of force. If the cybertruck is more rigid and the sharp edges have a potential to gash pedestrians on impact, that’s two factors that don’t apply to current pickups.
I don’t actually know the ride height but it looks like the cyber truck has a much lower nose when driving on normal roads compared to a lot of trucks, so while it may be very stiff, maybe it’ll just launch you over the hood.
The shorter and lower nose should improve visibility too. Regular pickups have a blind spot as large as an entire daycare center.
So are we really contemplating pickup trucks as more safe in a pedestrian collision because they have crumple zones?
When a truck hits a pedestrian and the front of the truck crumples, is that pedestrian okay?
There’s a difference between a shattered pelvis and being impaled because someone thought sharp corners are cool and safety standards are oppression.
No one is getting impaled on a forty degree corner lol
Your wording makes it sound like the existence of even more dangerous trucks somehow excuses this dangerous truck. Both the 4 ft wall and the sharp metal blade edges are dangerous and irresponsible designs.
I’m not excusing it at all, I think it’s one of the worst vehicles ever made, too big, heavy and fast. People are for sure gonna crash these beasts.
What I meant was I’d like to see traditional truck designs that have millions of vehicles on the road be scrutinized before the 10 cyber trucks. You’re way more likely to be hit by a regular truck which has a deadly design than a cyber truck just because of how many more are on the road.
“I don’t like x but it can’t be worse than y” is a construction which serves to minimize how bad something is. Instead, let’s scrutinize both: “This cyber truck is ridiculously dangerous. While we’re at it, let’s also regulate the 4 feet tall wall of grill on other trucks.”
Instead, let’s scrutinize both
is a construction that leads to nothing getting done as a result of failing to acknowledge there are limited resources.
The concept of “first” is absolutely key to accomplishing anything.
… Doesn’t “limited resources” basically just mean here ones ability to consider more than one thought at a time? Surely a species capable of collaborative efforts like space travel can handle the complexity of generalizing to say “no, sorry, none of the human-bulldozer designs are okay actually”?
Criticism is not a scarce quantity to be preserved. It spreads, like a fire. Take literally any social movement, like #metoo or BLM. People don’t suppress smaller stories to “save” criticism for bigger stories. The small stories add up. Right now, the F150 is one of the best selling cars in the US. The average American is no where close to criticizing it. But everyone already makes fun of the cyber truck. We can use that.
“Let’s not criticize this dangerous truck design because we should save our criticism!” is the worst way to get people to criticize dangerous truck design.
And those are largely banned from the EU as well. The issue is the lack of regulation in the US, it’s killing pedestrians daily.
Tesla seem confident it’ll be safer in part because of that.
I’m wondering if they’ve done some something that can lower the front further if an imminent crash is about to happen with a pedestrian to lower the nose even more. Maybe it won’t work if you’re already at lowest setting, but if you’re raised at all maybe.
You think they’d have advertised a feature like that though by now, so maybe not, but I bet they could.
Would be a good feature for any vehicle with air suspension that can detect an imminent crash with a pedestrian
I’m pretty sure Tesla is devoid of any technology that detects pedestrians.
It definitely detects pedestrians: the live on-screen image shows them when they are nearby. They also claim to have automatic emergency braking when it detects pedestrians being in danger. I haven’t seen this in action, but then again, I don’t drive where pedestrians walk, so… But I can tell that my Tesla does weird short brakings on a motorway when nobody is close. Detects my future ghost, probably.
Their own claim is that their cars are quite a lot safer than USA average: https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport – but I have heard it being rumoured that sometimes companies lie.
But I can tell that my Tesla does weird short brakings on a motorway when nobody is close.
I hope you never drive where there are patches of ice on the road.
I do, weekly. These don’t happen incredibly often, and they happen only when the cruise control is switched on. Not once have they caused a dangerous situation.
Detecting that collision is on the same order of difficulty as self-driving cars.
This is not true.
Anti collision systems of various sorts have been around for over a decade. The problem space is minuscule compared to self driving, and almost all car manufacturers offer both forward and reverse collision detection at this point.
In fact I think EU is making it a requirement soon.
Detecting a pedestrian where you would want to lower the front vs say a deer or moose (or other vehicle for that matter) where you don’t want to lower it is more complicated.
Better to just not build the vehicle out of sharp polygons like it needs to be rendered on a Super Nintendo with FX chip.
You could only enable the lowering in pedestrian heavy areas (city) assuming they legit can’t tell a moose apart.
You aren’t going to find many moose in downtown NYC ;)
Again, nothing to do with shape, this would be a good feature for any air suspension vehicle that can detect a pedestrian.
Edit: And I’m not sure we need to worry as much about city deer, they are small enough.
Edit: Also if they CAN detect a moose, they should do the opposite and raise the front.
Any car with AEB has this capability which is a lot of cars ya.
I don’t know how fast they can lower the vehicle though? There isn’t a lot of time between when AEB kicks off to slow you down and the accident.
Safety concerns…who would have thought? This cannot be an actual recent concern. Everybody could see the safety issues from the day it was unveiled…
Good thing safety regulation is the reason why we hopefully will not see this monstrosity on EU roads.
I’m just so amused by your inclusion of ‘hopefully’ in that sentence… hard to know what to expect when the whole world is a bit
It’s not a recent concern, it’s been talked about since the initial reveal
“Hey, I know you’re disappointed by the lack of Autopilot™, but look on the bright side, every Cybertruck comes standard with our patented Child Buster™ technology to cast those little shits into the depths hell where they belong!”
And perfect for running over protesters. And with the weight of this thing, there’s little likelihood of those pansies surviving. They don’t deserve life if they’re going to use it making your drive last 5 minutes longer.
/s
we’ve combined the Orphan Crushing Machine and the Torment Nexus
To be fair, Tesla Autopilot probably already did that.
This sounds like something BeastChild would say in a video.
I hope this monstrosity will never be approved in Europe. Imagine the impact passengers of a Twingo or any other small city cat will experience in the unfortunate case of a head collision
If you ever felt like your truck didn’t look and drive enough like a prep counter, Elon Musk has got your back.
But, like a prep counter, the blood washes off easily
Pretty easy to solve. Just pay those experts to stfu. Shouldn’t be a problem for musk
