The reason I’m asking is instead of just giving it a go is it isn’t available to stream in my region. So I would have to acquire it in some other way if I give it a go.
I have never seen it before. I’m not a huge sci-fi fan or anything. I watched some Star Trek: TNG and liked it just fine. Do not like OG Star Trek at all.
I just landed on the B5 wikipedia page and the synopsis intrigued me.
Has it aged ok or does it feel like old? I don’t care all that much if the effects or make up is a bit dated. It’s more that the acting and storylines in 90’s tv shows isn’t always the greatest.
Is it heavy handed with trying to give the viewer moral lessons like some older shows tend to?
Also not looking for a action show nor do I care all that much about shocking story twists that newer media tends to lean on.
So TLDR I guess: Is the story and acting good?
I know it’s hard to recommend things to people you don’t know so any kind of input would be appreciated.
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B5 is fantastic.
Let me start with the bad though: The CGI, especially the spaceship CGI in the first couple of seasons is bad. Really, really, really bad. Like listen, I have a high tolerance for bad scifi CGI (I watch Starhunter!) and I can tell you in some of the space battle scenes I literally can’t keep track of what is happening sometimes. The CGI improves in the later seasons, but it goes from “I don’t understand what I’m even seeing” to “Playstation 2 cutscene” level.
Ok, that’s mainly it. If you can get past that, it is an amazing show. The most impressive thing it does is character growth. There are characters that you start out hating who end up becoming very sympathetic. There are characters who make face heel turns and it never feels unearned.
One amazing thing about the show is the running dispute between two alien races which is very similar to the Cardassians vs Bajorans in Star Trek Deep Space 9. To me, in DS9 I never really liked the Bajorans as a people, I know that I was supposed to but for various reasons I kind of just didn’t care about them. In Babylon 5, I really care about the conflict and about the ambassadors from each species and what they are going through, and how their personal and professional relationship evolves. It was very smart to make the ugly alien reptile species the one which was being unjustly oppressed.
Without going on too much longer, the setting of the show is strong. You can see how dystopian earth is and how principled the main human cast is, and how every so often those distant dystopian tendrils from the earth government start reaching into the affairs of the show.
As a side note, if you like Star Trek TNG but don’t like the “moral of the week” kind of thing, I do highly recommend Star Trek Deep Space 9. Great acting, very good effects that hold up well, and a fun cast of characters. A little slow in the beginning but once the main conflicts start kicking off it starts feeling very modern in how the story arcs are presented. Worf returns from TNG, but DS9 actually finds a purpose for his character and he really gets to shine.
Another great reply! Thanks man!
This show does seem like my kinda deal. I don’t think I will mind the effects. If being honest I kinda hoped there wouldn’t be any space battles in it. Not to many I hope. I am really looking for more of a drama than a action show.
Is there any kind of “slice-of-life onboard the station” elements in it. The thing that stuck out to me in the snippet I read about the show was that it portrayed how individuals were affected by bigger events in the story.I think I’ll check out DS9 too. One thing I learned is when people describe movies and shows as “a little slow” I tend to like them.
The space battles are mainly just in the beginning as flashbacks to inform the setting, and the later in the end of the show. The bulk of the show is attempts at diplomacy mixed up with some cosmic mystery, so I wouldn’t exactly call it slice of life but it is more thoughtful than just blasting away at things. There are often battles but they have a habit at least in the middle of happening distantly and the main cast having to deal with the political fallout.
DS9 has some slice of life episodes, I actually just listed my two favorite episodes in another thread and both of them are slice of life with one being very emotionally impactful and the other extremely silly. DS9 has such well defined main and reoccurring characters that you can combine any two of them in a scene and get an entertaining outcome, and the show leans on that a lot.
You seem like maybe someone who would love the anime Planetes, or the manga (the anime’s good but the manga is much longer). It’s a near-future scifi about a crew who clean up space debris, and there was obviously a heck of a lot of research put into it. It’s the most realistic portrayal of space travel I know of in an animated show, and mostly slice-of-life. It’s not a very “anime” anime either, if you’re not normally one for anime.
Ok, so I don’t like most anime I tried watching, but as you described it as not very anime, I looked it up and it seemed kinda neat. I borrowed the first season from the internet and just watched the first two episodes.
So far it’s really good, thanks a bunch for the rec! I would never have found this show and given it a chance on my own.
Also when I looked it up I saw it described as hard science fiction. Never heard that term before. After some cursory research I think this might be the kind of sci-fi for me.
It’s crazy that they made all the CGI with Amiga computers.
My husband swore by B5 and had a hard time convincing me, especially since the CGI effects have not aged well and in general the sets, costume, etc. feel cheap. He was right, though: I really enjoyed it, although I think it took a season or so to really get into it. The writing is surprisingly good, especially later on, and it has complex alien characters in a way that a lot of scifi series struggle with.
There’s a widespread belief that Deep Space Nine is a knockoff of Babylon 5. B5 was apparently pitched to Paramount before they started work on DS9, but they turned it down. So it’s certainly possible that DS9 is at least inspired by B5, although I think people with more inside knowledge tend to doubt that it’s directly ripped off from the B5 pitch as others claim. It’s clear though that there is a deep similarity between B5 and DS9, and considering B5 aired later it’s natural that people feel the need to defend B5 on this point — it’s not a cheap ripoff of DS9, if anything, DS9 is an expensive ripoff of B5!
All that is background for me saying that I think B5 is a better DS9 than DS9 is, but DS9 might be a better show. What I mean by that is that the original concept that DS9 and B5 share, that of a multi-cultural space station resolving diplomatic disputes at the edge of human territory, is much better done in B5 than DS9 where it’s almost secondary to DS9 as a military outpost in the Dominion war. That said, DS9 had a bigger budget, better effects, and in my opinion better actors, so it’s easier to get into than B5. It just looks better.
Another interesting thing about B5 is that its creator, J. Michael Straczinsky (think I spelled that right?) was Terminally Online in a very early age of Online. He had a reputation for getting into dumb but heated arguments with fans on Usenet, which is pretty funny to think about now. This was a particularly big deal when the lead of the show had to be abruptly changed between seasons 1 and 2. Years after it became public that this was because of the original lead actor developing some serious mental health problems, but JMS understandably didn’t want to talk about that in public and so the abrupt and unexplained replacement lead to a lot of flamewarring (mostly under the presumption the original lead had been fired) that gave the show sort of a bad reputation among some.
I’d totally recommend that you watch B5, just be prepared for a rough given the much poorer production quality. It does get better over time, and most significantly the acting gets a lot better over time as cheesy stereotypes evolve into more complete characters. Of course pretty much every show goes through that evolution but it’s especially important with B5 where Londo starts out as an annoying guy with annoying hair. He remains as such through the rest of the series, but also gains other traits to the extent that he’s one of the more relatable characters.
There’s also a really funny left turn that happens in the last season - the last season is good! but there was some weirdness that happened where the last season was bought after the writers had already wrapped up the show (they thought they wouldn’t get another one), so they had to swap around episodes and come up with a whole new arc for the last season. The result is actually some of the best episodes of the series since they end up with sort of “free time” episodes to dig into aspects of the world that you don’t get much other detail on. The original finale of the series got moved into the actual last season, so the finale of the second to last is an episode they kind of shoved in at the last moment that is, admittedly, half clip-show but also explores the world of B5 in a really interesting way that we probably wouldn’t have gotten if the writers room didn’t have to scramble to produce something that was both fast to shoot and a satisfying season end.
Oh, and I didn’t even really address your actual question, I just rambled about television scifi for a long time like I’m prone to do. I think you’d like B5: it does have a definite aspect of moral parable to it, but it’s a more complex and nuanced one than most TV shows of the '90s. I think that’s part of the reason it didn’t get the kind of big-budget production that Star Trek did. It’s not set in a post-scarcity, largely post-politics utopia like Star Trek. The world of B5 is very political, and there aren’t really any “good guys.” Humans (from the central government charmingly called EARTH DOME) are just as much a part of the problem as everyone else, and I think the show does a much better than average job of representing different interests that have to come to compromises to get along, and the real political and cultural results of scifi concepts like telepathy. It’s not all happy endings!
Woah, did not expect such thorough answer, thanks for taking the time!
And your last paragraph definitely convinced me to give it a chance. No “good guys” and not set in a utopia is right up my alley.
Also had no idea about the DS9 connection. I have heard the name before but had no idea it took place on a space station. Kinda crazy that there is a post about that show on this tiny community from just a few hours ago.
DS9 is also really good, and I think pretty much everyone that’s a B5 fan is also a DS9 fan. They have a lot in common. I also think DS9 is good in a lot of ways that earlier Star Trek were bad, so I wouldn’t let feelings about ST:TOS turn you off of it. It’s a lot “grittier,” I guess is the term we’d use today, and feels like it exists more in the real world than the idealized Federation of TNG. It also has some extremely dorky Star Trek aspects, but I think even those are often done better, probably because of DS9’s extremely strong cast making the bit-piece aliens a lot more real (and DS9 has a lot more alien recurring characters than earlier series). My recollection is that it gets off to a way better start than TNG too, those first couple seasons of TNG were really rough!
Oh my lord YES! It’s one of the best Sci-Fi series to have been made to date and worth every penny should you buy it.
I just (re)-watched it recently, so I feel qualified to answer. I’d seen much of it during its original run, so I knew a lot of the broader story, but I still enjoyed watching it and would recommend it. If you get to the end and Londo & G’Kar aren’t your favourites, I don’t think we can be friends.
Has it aged ok or does it feel like old?
There’s definitely the occasional wooden acting and cardboard set, particularly in the early stuff. It’s more about the story though. There’s a remastered version out, with the original effects upscaled.
According to Engadget:
Babylon 5 Remastered has been scanned from the original camera negative. The film sequences were scanned in 4K and then “finished,” or downscaled, back to HD, with a dirt and scratch clean-up, as well as color correction. The show’s CGI and composite sequences, meanwhile, have been digitally upscaled to HD with only some minor tweaks where absolutely necessary.
Before that there was a widescreen version that you should avoid - it wasn’t meant to be broadcast like that and you can see e.g. actors not in that scene watching their colleagues.
There’s some extra stuff as well - TV movies and spin off series. I’d have to look at the titles to remind me what was worth it, but in summary some of the movies were worth it and Crusade is not.
Haven’t seen it for ages but it looked incredibly cheap at the time. Great story though especially the relationship between the two ambassadors (can’t remember their names)
I’m gonna give it a go. I can handle cheap looking. It’s more often the shallow storylines and writing in '90s shows that scare me away. In the post I said acting but I think its more about the dialog and writing in general that tend to be a turn off for me.
TBH the acting of a few characters and writing is a tad rough in the first season, but it gets immensely better. Like any Star Trek or sci-fi show, you have to push through the first season as it introduces you to the world, characters, relationships, and storylines. But I assure you, it is worth it to continue through as seasons 2-4 really open up the depth of the stories and characters, providing an enjoyable viewing experience.
I’ll keep that in mind and make sure to not give up on it to early if it doesn’t grab me at first.
I suggest this retrospective on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FfKOubWE14
Same Youtuber also did all the Star Trek films and series.
No spoilers I hope?
it’s a matter of perspective. I think having some proper expectations exceed any damage done by spoilers.
Point taken. Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out.
I really liked the first season which it´s supposedly the worst of the series so I think I´ll be fine for the rest of the seasons. I should be starting season 2 soon.
