The GOP’s sweeping new anti-voting bill cleared the U.S. House Wednesday, setting up a high-stakes battle in the Senate.
The House voted 218-213 to pass the SAVE America Act, which experts have said could disenfranchise millions by requiring voters to show documentary proof of citizenship at registration and to provide photo ID when they cast ballots.
Republicans have argued for voter ID broadly, pointing out that there isn’t much to prevent a noncitizen from casting a ballot in a federal election — besides the fact that it’s a felony, easily caught, and would lead to deportation all for the chance to cast one out of hundreds of thousands of votes.
The GOP voted to take away the rights from almost every married woman in the country, think about that for a second and you’ll understand why they even made the SAVE act.
They claim it’s about immigrants, but it’s truly about taking away the right to vote from people the GOP doesn’t like. So if you aren’t a rich, white, male, you cannot vote under GOP rule.
I wonder how much of the push behind this is from asshole men worried that their kinder wife is secretly voting against the republicans.
I think what’s funny is that if they did get that, they’d never win another election again. Literally the only pro-republican voting block is undereducated white men. If you locked out anyone who didn’t have a passport, dems would have a supermajority across the country.
Not really they win white woman in whole swaths of the country too. Just not as high, white men it is really high though like 65 pc or something.
The GOP voted to take away the rights from almost every married woman in the country
No, they didn’t. This isn’t going to be enforced in heavily Republican districts where women are loyal conservative voters.
When they need to catch up, or find votes, they will go around removing dem district votes with stuff like this.
Yeah, they did. How it may or may not be enforced has no bearing on whether or not they voted for it. Which they did.
Weren’t conservative white women and “trad wives” blamed wholesale for Trump’s 2024 win?
Shouldn’t this be giving Democrats a collective erection?
They might’ve gotten a lot of shit, but the reality is that women and lower-income people, those who will be most affected by the bill, are a core of the democrat voter base
Time for women everywhere to refuse to take their husband’s surname when they get married.
My friend changed her name socially, but not legally about 18 years back purely because she was too lazy to do all the paperwork it took to change your name. Now, her husband says it was one of the smartest choices she could have done and I agree.
Why’s it smart? I think I’m too stupid to understand
When someone (traditionally a woman) changes her name when she gets married she has to change it with everything, including social security, which is a real pain in the ass. It also means that her “real name” is now different to the name on her birth certificate. So if she tries to use her birth certificate as proof of identity and citizenship, like for this other ID bill, it likely would be denied as proof bc the names don’t match. So she would probably have to get a passport if she doesn’t already have one. Except to get her passport she would probably also need to use her birth certificate or a whole bunch of other stuff. Basically, tho bill doesn’t explicitly say “we want to make it harder for women to vote” but it will cause issues for everyone and women will be disproportionally affected bc traditional women take their husband’s last names
That’s actually pretty terrifying. That means a significant portion of the women population will probably not vote.
I wonder how many republican women who take husband’s last name compare with the portion of left leaning women who don’t take husband’s last name.
That’s actually pretty terrifying. That means a significant portion of the women population will probably not vote.
And a significant part of America would be delighted with that outcome. Some of them are quiet about it and don’t say it in mixed company; others are people calling for the repeal of the 19th and having fElon retweet them.
Marriage certificates have the wife’s maiden name, and then specify a space for a new surname, just in case someone changes the surname when they get married. I guess the point I am making is that there is a way over the hurdle as long as that info is on your marriage certificate.
For sure, and standard legal name changes give you a certificate of name change, but it’s another thing to pile onto the burden of proof for every step along the way. Shit adds up and becomes cumbersome quick.
I’m guessing birth certificate has maiden name and proves citizenship.
Passport has today’s name and does the same.
When the fuck do we just start killing politicians and billionaires? Seriously. Why are we still pretending like laws mean anything in this fucking country?
Imagine if all those school & mass shooters instead chose corrupt politicians and billionaires…
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Luigi showed us the way.
They most certainly killed a lot of people too. If not directly, then indirectly. Don’t see anything wrong with returning the favor
Dude they won’t even vote, let alone peacefully shut down, let alone take the violent path.
Which isn’t very wise anyway.
Someone has to decorate the white house as a school, it would be shot up in seconds
MORE killing is never the answer. Did you know that there were really… effective “instruments” in the old ages?
Are you referring to guillotines and nooses?
There is soooo much more vile shit from the dark ages, try an iceberg video of such things.
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It is very often the only answer. We’re not talking about torture, jackass.
Well done american voters! And a special shoutout to all the sitouts who stood idly by and let a fascist child rapist in on their watch.
This is a daylight robbery. Time to respond in kind.
Married women can’t vote because the names don’t match.
This will skate through the Senate. Elections in the USA won’t mean shit after this.
GOP is scared. They know, short of gestapo-like tactics this November, their days are numbered.
Sucks that they’re capable of gestapo type tactics, then.
It’s not what they’re capable of, it’s what they are able to do without repercussions. When there is no penalty people can do very bad things, like in war.
The repercussions will be at worst felt by the grunts on the ground, and those repercussions will be used as an excuse to somehow disregard contentious voting site results…
And wtf can be used as “proof of citizenship”
Ironically, passports which most non-native-born Americans already own and keep updated constantly because they often travel in and out of the country to visit family and attend events.
It’s projected this is going to hurt red states more than blue, since most midwest white-as-fuck Americans who never left their hometown and are scared of the whole world don’t have a shred of identification past their driver’s license.
Meanwhile, most immigrant families I know have their passports and copies of their birth certificates on-hand at all times.
I really don’t think that the majority of them can afford travelling regularly. this will hit many people
Some paper you lost 30 years ago
A “real ID”, a state driver’s licence or identity card which was verified with a birth certificate, passport or citizenship certificate.
A real ID does not mean US citizen. Non-US citizens can receive a real ID. It just proves you are a lawful resident in the US.
Same for drivers license and ID card.
A birth certificate does no good on it’s own. And verifying a birth certificate is another can of worms. If it can only be the official government issued one? Then you get into the whole birth right citizen thing. You can easily be a US citizen without being born in US.
Passport would be the closest thing to a true “Citizen ID”. US Nationals can receive a US passport without being citizens.
Citizenship certificates would fix the birth certificate problem of US citizens being born outside of the states. However they cost 1k+. Maybe they can make them cheaper or hand them out?
It’s laughable how bad identification is in the US. We still use social security numbers.
I wouldn’t be against Voting IDs if everyone was issued one for free and replacements were easy and inexpensive to obtain.
I have my birth certificate, federal ID, and social security card handy. If that’s not good enough, they can go fuck themselves. How much more proof does one need?
ReadID verifies identity, not citizenship
This season of House of Cards is thrilling!
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oh wait, I’m living inside the tv show… 🫠
They need to eliminate the filibuster to pass this in the senate. It’s dead on arrival.
Could?
Isn’t this the intent?
How is it that just about every democratic country on the planet requires voter ID but some reason people think US citizens are to stupid to figure it out?
It’s because in the US, magically democratic areas will have extremely high security implemented by elderly republican volunteers and no amount of proof of citizenship will be enough if you don’t look like you will vote the right way
in australia we don’t require photo ID… you register to vote exactly once (usually done in high school and they walk you through it - at least that was my experience), and then you just show up… your name is on a list, and they cross you off
requiring ID and voter role purges are not a requirement for democracy
Because US citizens keep demonstrating that’s probably true.
Not required in New Zealand.
The US has no national ID system.
In canada I registered to vote and then showed photo I’d No proof of citizenship at poll
The db0 shitters wanted this. The ml shitters wanted this.
They want an excuse to see fires and blood. They want an excuse for violence. And they’ll throw everyone else vulnerable into harms way first to get their shot at an imaginary revolution. They play the disinformation game to get their own way.
Don’t trust them. Don’t believe them.
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Some yes, those whose only political view is “America bad”, and doesn’t think about the potential fallout of the US disappearing from the world.
When the Soviet Union fell apart, the USA and EU filled its place for the most part.
If the USA falls apart, get ready for traditional Chinese medicine and faux gay conversion therapies pushed by Russia to get mainstreamed by the WHO.
I can understand if someone, to reduce harm, voted (or will vote) for Kamala Harris. Sometimes I even think that would have been the obvious choice, but she and Biden didn’t do the obvious of arresting diddler Don. I cannot really think the same with Gavin Newsom.
The famously effective .ml and db0 political group that somehow makes Republicans do something. Sure bud.
This mandates government registration to access an essential right of a citizen in a democracy. Ask for the same thing for gun ownership though and the right would lose their minds.
What’s interesting, is that many of us already do register with the state governments.
Its goal isn’t to regulate voting. It’s to suppress it.
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Yep. Very easy to disenfranchise many people this way.
Particularly, anyone whose name or SAAB on their passport or birth certificate doesn’t match their photo id. Anyone who works during DMV hours and can’t take time off to renew an ID. Especially those who don’t drive (and thus don’t need a license).
So let’s see, that’s mainly women, genderqueer, and the working poor. Alright alright.
Who else?
I’m sure that a lot of the unhoused don’t have easy access to their birth certificate or passport.
Anybody who cut ties with their parents and can’t access this paperwork. So no strong family values.
Oh yeah. The millions of Americans who can’t even dream of leaving the country who never even got a passport in the first place.
How is this not a poll tax?
And I’m gonna guess that this is going to make mail in voting more difficult? Or perhaps we will have to verify our ID with an app, this getting all of our info while also removing anonymity from voting, at a time when one party is not just hostile, but downright violent towards members of the other.
How about this…the republicans get to have a poll tax if the Democrats get to have a literacy test. If we are gonna make voting harder, lets make it harder for both sides. Deal?
Obviously that’s quite tongue in cheek.
If I recall, any state that requires ID to vote has to give the ID free or it IS considered a poll tax. So this is going to put a lot of expense onto state governments without any federal funding to offset it.
That seems to be a major point of this government. Who is paying for all those national guard deployments, loss of renewable subsidies, SNAP, etc.
Crash the economy, which makes people afraid. Scared people are more likely to vote for a strongman.
True but you’d think they’d at least want a very different “strongman” than the one who did the crashing.
One would think, but a lot of people are miseducated as to the cause and effect of these things (to put it as politely as I can).
any state that requires ID to vote has to give the ID free or it IS considered a poll tax.
They’re just going to not do it. Shrug their shoulders and say “oops, not enough time to implement it but we have to have the election now” and will get a finger wagging from the Supreme Court.
Agreed. The goal is to design a system where you must prove your right to vote rather than be allowed to cast a vote with passive validation after the fact. Folks who can’t prove their right to vote are primarily low-income voters who are presumed to vote Dem.
As this is not the least restrictive means to accomplish the legitimacy of the election, it does not pass constitutional muster (good luck with the current Supreme Court though). I also wonder how this might infringe on the rights of First Nations (literally completely ignorant here) and states right to administer their own elections.
The big group this impacts is married women — in particular it has a name-matching requirement which will block a large fraction of married women from voting. They’re doing this because women have consistently been more likely to vote for Democrats than men:
This makes it very much worthwhile for Americans to ask their Senators to block this legislation by any means necessary.
What they are going to create is a world where women refuse to take their husband’s name. I’m certain the right will be up in arms over that as well. Par for the course for the poster children of unintended consequences.
If their goals were ever what they say they are, there is almost always a better policy that could drive that out come, but every time the right’s solution is “just make them.” And then big fucking Pikachu surprise when that doesn’t work out like they plan.
The goal here is to keep women from voting: the SAVE act very specifically requires that you
- Prove citizenship
- That you prove that the name on your citizenship document (eg: birth certificate) match your current name
Because women often change name when they get married, they’ll have a mismatch, and need to spend time and money to be able to vote. If the legislation passes, it will block about 20 million Americans from voting. Because of gender disparities in voting, Republicans see this as to their advantage.
Give your Senators a call at 202-224-3121 and ask them to block this change.
…except that married women overwhelmingly vote Republican.
Source? Not trying to aggravate or anything, but I just haven’t seen any statistics that bear that out. This report from Pew Research in 2025 suggests that married women are roughly split:
Married men and women are more likely to identify with or lean toward the Republican Party than their unmarried counterparts, with 59% of married men and half of married women oriented toward the GOP.
The image above this statement shows 45% of married women are Democrat-aligned whereas 50% of married women are Republican-aligned.
I’m not in the USA, but in here government ID has been a requirement to vote as long as we’ve been independent. Same goes with driving license, registration of a car, guns obviously, bank accounts and a ton of other everyday stuff and it’s not really a problem. Sure, you need to take care that specially the new ID card they hand out is valid (5 years at the time if I remember correctly) since it’s often (one might argue too often) required to validate your identity.
And when done correctly it’s mostly a good thing. Last time I voted it took maybe 10 minutes and I had several days to pick one which suits me. I gave my ID card to the clerk who then checked a box that I already voted (so that they won’t give me second ballot) and then I filled the ballot and cast my vote. That’s it. And of course there’s mechanism so that you can vote even if you’re hospitalized or out of the country or something else preventing you from voting “the normal” way.
Current government at the USA seems to do everything they can to make voting more difficult, but requiring a valid ID to do so isn’t really the biggest issue you have out there.
That the thing, and ID requirement sounds reasonable but it really isn’t in the US.
First, there is no national ID. The closest we have is out Social Security Card, but that’s just a number. There is no photo or other identifying information. Every state issues drivers licenses, but those can vary widely.
For example, Arizona drivers licenses don’t expire until the person is 65 which makes them terrible for identification purposes. Imagine looking at a driver’s license photo taken at age 16 and trying to figure out if that is the same 60 year old person standing in front of you.
There are birth certificates, but those alone aren’t positive identification either. There is no federal requirement to have one, though most people do. Still, there are about 60,000 babies born outside hospitals who may or may not ever get a birth certificate. These parents are often antigovernment and think they are doing their kids a favor by hiding them from the feds.
Then there is the issue of ID requiring a permanent address. Native American reservations do not get federal mail service, so they don’t have addresses. They use post office boxes to get mail, bit those aren’t valid for ID purposes. There are also people who live out of cars, RVs, or a simply homeless who nonetheless are citizens with a right to vote.
My partner had all their IDs lost in a fire., so I’ve gone through the process of getting a new ones and it is a nightmare. First, you need a copy of your birth certificate. But they won’t give that without some sort of proof of identity. That means we had to go to my partners gynecologist (the only doctor they had been to in this state) and get a letter swearing their identity and to their bank for proof of address. Then we could order a copy (plus fees) from their home state which we had to wait for a physical copy to be mailed.
Once that arrived, we were able to fill out the forms to get a temporary social security card (have to wait for the real one to come in the mail). After that we went to the Department of Motor Vehicles (which always has a huge wait) to present all the previous forms to get a state ID (a driver’s license would have required a written test, an eye test, and a driving test as well).
This all took us a couple hours a day for more than a week of going to various offices, being told we needed other forms, getting those forms, coming back, and so forth. Imagine trying to do that with a car, or in a rural location where offices could be an hour drive apart, or trying to do that while holding down two jobs.
The general point I am making here is that if you are poor, a minority, rurally located, or simply someone who falls outside the average, getting an ID can be a significant hurdle to the basic democratic right to vote.
That’s just wild from my perspective. In here pretty much everything works with your SSN and some way you can prove it’s yours. Healthcare, pensions, schools/education in general, taxes, benefits and nearly all publicly funded things require that you can prove you are who you claim to be. Hell, I can’t even get certain type of packages out of the post office without a valid ID.
Sure, there’s some burecrautic annoyance to actually get valid ID card or passport, but compared on what you’re saying it’s walk in the park. Last time I renewed mine it was enough to submit application for it digitally and then visit a police station to actually confirm my identity for that application, but in total with traveling it took 2-3 hours.
And also I can verify my identity online pretty easily either via my bank credentials or with a phone service. For me and a lot of other people it’s really convenient, but obviously in here we also have people who can’t (or won’t learn to) use all the new tech so for them some things have gotten more difficult.
A fun side-note is that today my driving license actually doesn’t qualify as valid identification. On some cases it’s still enough and it used to be as good as actual ID card but with a ton of EU drivers licenses from other countries around it’s not ‘strong’ enough identification anymore.
The United States works a lot more like the EU than any individual country. Each state has its own politics and leadership. Some states try to make things easier, some try to make things harder, and it can all flip from one election to another. It makes it very hard to make any kind of progress. A passport would work as ID just about anywhere, but less than half of Americans have one. I don’t (and I’ve been out of the country a couple times).
In order to legally purchase a firearm (except in a transaction between private parties) you have to fill out a federal transfer form.
If you are the type of person who cares about the government knowing you have a gun, you will certainly acquire it through a transaction between private parties.
Last election several individuals committed voter AND election fraud. They were all Republicans.
Let’s see ‘em in the comments if you’re inclined to display them.
More recently there’s a mayor of some town (
in Texas, iircKansas) that’s facing deportation and multiple felony charges for voting in elections as a non-citizen.I’ll link to the story posted on lemmy if I can find it!Found it! https://lemmy.ml/post/43029958
