• nocturne
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    15 days ago

    And before anyone wants to add their blame trump for everything bs and say that’s what you get for voting for Donald J. Trump I know what trump said he said the tariffs would be on china New Mexico and Canada not on American citizens.

    Not only do they not know what a tariff is, they think the 47th state is a foreign country, which does not surprise me, trump does too.

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      15 days ago

      Funnily enough, the area that is currently known as New Mexico has been called New Mexico for longer than the area currently called Mexico has been called Mexico. So New Mexico is actually Old Mexico. That’s probably not the source of their confusion, but it is a fun fact.

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      14 days ago

      Though it can be hard to do so, I try to remind myself that a lot of these people simply lack the intellectual self defense or cultural opportunities to not be duped by targeted propaganda. The school system and many poor parents failed to instill critical thinking for many people. Unfortunately we all suffer for those failings, but I try to temper my anger.

      The ones who had every opportunity to learn better, but actively chose to be what they are, those ones just suck straight up.

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        12 hours ago

        While this is undoubtedly true, under the law for example, ignorance is not an excuse, why is it in poltics?

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          Even under the law, there are exceptions, but I’m not sure the concept of ignorance of the law is a good metric to apply to ignorant people.

          I think my viewpoint mostly stems from the idea of people largely being a product of their environment, and to what degree the average person can truly override that.

          Who I am, how I percieve reality, my ability to critically think, the specific knowledge I have, the education I received; all of it was influenced by external factors I had little control over, in other words, luck.

          I was born to good parents that loved me and encouraged me, that never imprinted bigoted ideas into me, and gave me the tools and resources I needed to eventually educate myself beyond what they could provide, but importantly, my upbringing fostered the right temperament and curiosity to actually want to become educated.

          Were I born to some racists assholes that neglected me, taught me all the wrong values, and killed any intellectual curiosity before it could even begin (and in fact, instill suspicion for those who do have any), and the majority of the community where I lived only reinforced those values… I’m not saying it’s impossible to overcome that, many have, but that’s playing life on hard mode, and I can’t help but feel it’s wrong to truly hate those people for being what is essentially unlucky.

          I do deeply lament what their ignorance has wrought, and I would encourage anyone to stand up to them regardless of how they came upon those views, but for the ones who were unlucky, I oppose them while feeling sorry for them, instead of using hate to fuel my resistance.

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          14 days ago

          While many voted for him because of that, and are awful people because of it, some didn’t have the critical thinking skills to realize that fox is lying to them when they say those allegations aren’t real. They were suckered into a cult not terribly different from a religious one, such as Scientology or Mormonism.

          Their actions have a global impact, unlike most cults, so we curse them instead of pity them, but they were gullible fools all the same, the only difference is the scale of suffering and power their cult leader wields.

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        15 days ago

        They voted for someone who acknowledged their struggle. It’s why so many voted for AOC down ballot.

        The people who don’t understand that are the ones that are being duped. Let’s hope there’s enough runway left for them to learn.

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          14 days ago

          AOC represents one House district in one part of New York City. Very few ever have voted for her outside of that district.

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          We don’t have to accept willful ignorance. Everyone has all this data at their fingertips and they CHOOSE not to use it. They don’t get a pass, fuck them.

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            ignore the working class at your own peril.

            self proclaimed smart people currently in the finding out phase concerns me less that the fact they had to drag everyone along for the ride.

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              I’m sorry I guess I didn’t get the memo that says they shouldn’t think about how to vote. Are you implying that all working class people are too dumb to pay attention?

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    10 days ago

    lol but we’re just beginning. you have four years, and probably much more, for things to get much worse. don’t use up all your regret so quickly.