A federal law enacted in 2022 stipulates that the president must give Congress at least 30 days notice before firing an inspector general, as well as reasons for the firing—none of which occurred.
So… he didn’t? Like, I get that there’s a “what are you gonna do about it” where law only restrains an executive if someone with power stops them (including underlings just not following illegal orders like they’re supposed to), but this shouldn’t be reported as “he fired them”, but “he’s trying to illegally fire them”. Media and politicians shouldn’t just take it as done. It’s an illegal act and should be framed as such. Don’t just accept every order he makes as valid.
Everything being done right now is a social contract between the administration and media. Report my stuff, I’ll keep doing stuff worthy of reporting. Bad precedent.
Why do you think they vastly under covered his scandals after his 1st term? They wanted this. They are going to make a bunch of money off rage bait while we all collectively get fucked.
Similarly, the firing is only real if someone actually stops them from going back to work. If they show up on Monday, then some individual person is going to have to obey an illegal order to stop them from entering their office. Make individual people legally responsible for implementing the order. I’m sure someone will, but don’t comply in advance and don’t excuse the people who implement it. Underlings also have a lot more risk of legal exposure and you want them as a group to worry about themselves when they’re tasked with making the fascism happen.
The order is pretty blatantly illegal. There’s no real interpretation, just a straightforward law, passed very recently, that says you need to fire them in this way. So they’ll probably get their pay and get officially confirmed to be still employed eventually. Presumably the people who are inspectors general aren’t living paycheck to paycheck. The important thing is to not give Trump the additional power to just say illegal things and then everyone else just accepts them.
Cool so what are they going to do, sue? Bring a gun?
This is what people mean when they say “might equals right.” The person with the biggest army/most power, and the willingness to flex it, gets what they want, period.
This is the system that we have now. This is not a new system. Very very old in fact. So luckily for you, there’s tons of shit to read about in order to educate yourself.
You really think if they show up tomorrow and go to their office, they will be able to just carry on as if nothing happened?
We’re talking about the administration that is actively trying to root out some sort of perceived DEI conspiracy by sending Secret Service agents around to government departments and contractors. Stories keep popping up about it.
Someone needs to stop them. A real specific person. Not just the presidential diktat. And it’s valuable to make them do it and then ideally, when the court cases roll around make them responsible for it. Learned helplessness doesn’t have any benefit.
I don’t know what real specific person you mean, but I have no idea how you think they could bring down the entire Republican-run U.S. government by themselves. You do understand this problem is far deeper than just Trump, right? If Trump is killed, Harris doesn’t get to be president, Vance does. And Vance is even worse.
You seem to have not understood what I wrote. The “real specific person” is whoever blocks their entry or tries to remove them from their office. A real person needs to do that, and it makes them legally vulnerable. Make them do it, and then make them a defendant in the resulting court cases. The whole point is making the underlings worried about enforcing the king’s diktat, because the king may be untouchable but they are not.
Well technically it isn’t illegal until a court says it is. So you need the alledgedly in the front. But can you really blame them for not labeling it illegal. They know they would be retaliated against.
Go curl up in a ball and cry. You’ve made Trumpism an unstoppable force in your mind and preemptively surrendered, so you have nothing of value to add to this conversation.
You know nothing about me, but please, continue telling me what I believe.
I’m just not fucking delusional. The first step to actually doing something, is recognizing the reality of the situation you are in. As long as you continue to operate as if things are the same as they were two weeks ago, then shit is just going to get worse and worse.
Like I don’t understand what you can’t seem to grasp here. They will physically remove this IG (and whomever else they please) if need be. What the fuck are you going to do about it? Sue them? Write a letter?
So… he didn’t? Like, I get that there’s a “what are you gonna do about it” where law only restrains an executive if someone with power stops them (including underlings just not following illegal orders like they’re supposed to), but this shouldn’t be reported as “he fired them”, but “he’s trying to illegally fire them”. Media and politicians shouldn’t just take it as done. It’s an illegal act and should be framed as such. Don’t just accept every order he makes as valid.
The media are fine with it. It’s drama to them. Drama sells. What doesn’t sell is Trump in a cell. There’d be a lot less stories after that.
Everything being done right now is a social contract between the administration and media. Report my stuff, I’ll keep doing stuff worthy of reporting. Bad precedent.
Why do you think they vastly under covered his scandals after his 1st term? They wanted this. They are going to make a bunch of money off rage bait while we all collectively get fucked.
Take it one further, media is no longer legitimate journalism, and it’s owned by those with corporate interests
I would guess the world would get more hectic if Trump were arrested at this point, not less…
It’s only illegal if someone enforces it
Similarly, the firing is only real if someone actually stops them from going back to work. If they show up on Monday, then some individual person is going to have to obey an illegal order to stop them from entering their office. Make individual people legally responsible for implementing the order. I’m sure someone will, but don’t comply in advance and don’t excuse the people who implement it. Underlings also have a lot more risk of legal exposure and you want them as a group to worry about themselves when they’re tasked with making the fascism happen.
Or if they just stop getting paychecks.
The order is pretty blatantly illegal. There’s no real interpretation, just a straightforward law, passed very recently, that says you need to fire them in this way. So they’ll probably get their pay and get officially confirmed to be still employed eventually. Presumably the people who are inspectors general aren’t living paycheck to paycheck. The important thing is to not give Trump the additional power to just say illegal things and then everyone else just accepts them.
Cool so what are they going to do, sue? Bring a gun?
This is what people mean when they say “might equals right.” The person with the biggest army/most power, and the willingness to flex it, gets what they want, period.
This is the system that we have now. This is not a new system. Very very old in fact. So luckily for you, there’s tons of shit to read about in order to educate yourself.
You really think if they show up tomorrow and go to their office, they will be able to just carry on as if nothing happened?
We’re talking about the administration that is actively trying to root out some sort of perceived DEI conspiracy by sending Secret Service agents around to government departments and contractors. Stories keep popping up about it.
Someone needs to stop them. A real specific person. Not just the presidential diktat. And it’s valuable to make them do it and then ideally, when the court cases roll around make them responsible for it. Learned helplessness doesn’t have any benefit.
I don’t know what real specific person you mean, but I have no idea how you think they could bring down the entire Republican-run U.S. government by themselves. You do understand this problem is far deeper than just Trump, right? If Trump is killed, Harris doesn’t get to be president, Vance does. And Vance is even worse.
What? When did I ever say an IG is going to take down the government? This whole response is a non-sequitur.
You:
Me right before that:
I don’t see a point in conversing with you if you’re going to ignore what I said.
You seem to have not understood what I wrote. The “real specific person” is whoever blocks their entry or tries to remove them from their office. A real person needs to do that, and it makes them legally vulnerable. Make them do it, and then make them a defendant in the resulting court cases. The whole point is making the underlings worried about enforcing the king’s diktat, because the king may be untouchable but they are not.
Ok so you really don’t understand how fascism works, do you?
Well technically it isn’t illegal until a court says it is. So you need the alledgedly in the front. But can you really blame them for not labeling it illegal. They know they would be retaliated against.
Still haven’t fucking figured it out, huh?
Go curl up in a ball and cry. You’ve made Trumpism an unstoppable force in your mind and preemptively surrendered, so you have nothing of value to add to this conversation.
You know nothing about me, but please, continue telling me what I believe.
I’m just not fucking delusional. The first step to actually doing something, is recognizing the reality of the situation you are in. As long as you continue to operate as if things are the same as they were two weeks ago, then shit is just going to get worse and worse.
Like I don’t understand what you can’t seem to grasp here. They will physically remove this IG (and whomever else they please) if need be. What the fuck are you going to do about it? Sue them? Write a letter?