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There’s a movie called Steamboy whose premise is the creation of a device that can store steam at nearly infinite pressure
So with a device like that, you might not need coal for your flying machine =)
At that point just call it magic no? Magic that works in metal pipes and spheres.
Seems sufficiently advanced enough 👍
I feel like storing steam at nearly infinite pressure is easier than getting steam to nearly infinite pressure
That’s actually covered in the movie as well! They needed to find special water to make infinitely-pressurizable steam =)
I think It’s, like, a Bag of Holding, but for steam.
where do you think you get the steam from in the first place
Coal, but the fantastical flying contraption in this thought exercise uses a container of pre-pressurized steam, so it wouldn’t “run out of coal” like the one in the post. It’d just run out of steam
Ah, I loved that movie but had forgotten the name.
Wouldn’t technically nuclear power also be considered Steampunk?
Meaning there is no difference between Steampunk and Atompunk?
Nah, key difference is that in atompunk, the energy is typically converted into electricity.
A big part of steampunk is the pipes moving steam to the contraptions, compared to wires moving electricity.
Hmm. Suppose you were building a nuclear locomotive. (Setting aside, for the moment, whether this is a good idea.) Would nuke→turbine→electricity→motor be more efficient than just using the rotation of the turbine to move the train?
It can’t be, right?
Diesel engine > generator > motor is frequently used for trains nowadays. Transmissions can be super inefficient, especially with discrete gear ratios
This is only true for locomotives really. Diesel Multiple Units (DMUs) often use hydraulic transmissions. Here’s an example railcar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V/Line_VLocity
It’s possible that controlling the rotation would be significantly more difficult without the extra conversion.
That raises the question: are the Voyager probes (or anything with an RTG) considered Atompunk, or do they need random bits of sheet metal welded on to meet the aesthetic first?
Atompunk confirmed
I remember playing flash game years ago that was about WW1 dog fights in nuclear powered steam biplanes.
I loved that game! The sequel was pretty good too, if I’m thinking of the same one
Are we talking about Steambirds?
I am so checking that out!
That’s the one I was thinking about! 😃
I couldn’t remember the name XD
I absolutely love that GIF. So appropriate.
I get “failed to load Media 🥲” on my Lemmy :(
😢 <–
I expect in 120 years, kids will re-invent what they think is 1990’s cyberpunk by gluing CDs and bits of broken DVD players onto their hats.
In the 1990s all internet data was transported by snails using these things called AOL CD-ROM packets.
With the TC-AOL-CD-ROM protocol, you had to keep on gluing a copy of the same CD to another snail every day and sending it off to the recipient, until you get one back confirming the reciept.
That would be destruction of antiques.
There will be hundreds of millions of aol CDs in landfills for thousands of years.
Well, that one would be upcycling of trash.
But from my experience of the rate of degradation of DVDs, the ones in the landfills would mostly be reduced to plastic discs, with the data-retaining material eroded away and mixed with other particulate matter
Steampunk is powered by magical non-heated water vapor motors rule.
Steampunk implies extremely polluting industrialized and unbathed Victorian slave labor rule.
I mean…a steam engine is a heat engine that uses steam to transfer heat. So you can make a steam engine by getting basically anything “really hot” and running steam through it. This is the working principle behind solar thermal power plants (but not solar panels!). I.e., you don’t necessarily need coal or even a fossil fuel to build a steam engine.
Yes, but the whole aesthetic of steam punk is fantastical machines that operate on Victorian-era technology, which would be coal-fire steam engines.
But if you put mirrors or magnifying glass as the heat source you lean too much towards solarpunk :)
If you do enough annoying wordplay to cause enough people to boil over with anger you can get Punpunk.
But what feeds your punpunk motors? Gleecerine?
Yeah but make sure you get the high mocktane stuff, too weak and you end up with punypunk.
Space 1889 gets its steam from solar thermal generators which power its steampunk space ships (ether vessels).
It gets its punk from it being about colonialism.
Colonialism is punk. TIL teehee
Cyberpunk depicts a techno-integrated capitalist hellscape in the same way. They essentially take ideas to extreme conclusions to show how hellish things will get.
Steampunk’s alittle different, but the satirical depiction of colonialism is pretty punk.
Resistance to colonialism is punk =)
lol Yeah! That’s how I associate it but the comment made it seem the opposite so I had a little chuckle.
I mean, the players can make imperialist characters if they want to, the same as how you can make an asshole character in a DnD campaign.
I say that its punk because the setting and rules don’t depict this as something that’s good or neutral. The sourcebooks give a description of how the colonial economy operates, and some of the monstrous things that are done to maintain it.
Dayumn, they doubled down on that shit. Thats a rough lookout for humanity.
It’s actually two different people. And I looked at the notes and they’re not even the only two. One person got really mad and called OP a “stupid fucking asshole” in their “correction”.
I had no idea people were so passionate about the belief that coal can’t be used to heat water.
What, you think stupid people were invented after the stream engine? Humanity got this far despite the fact that half of us are brainless dickheads.
It’s fine. It beats being just smart enough to know you’re not contributing.
Anti-intellectuals by don’t double-check their facts.
IDK what is the coal doing to the water!? My mom didn’t let me watch those videos, the stork just brings the baby right?!
:P
it runs on nuclear, silly!
spoiler
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Thats what i was going for.
