I’ve been using Lemmy for a while now, and I’ve noticed something that I was hoping to potentially discuss with the community.

As a leftist myself (communist), I generally enjoy the content and discussions on Lemmy.

However, I’ve been wondering if we might be facing an issue with ideological diversity.

From my observations:

  1. Most Lemmy Instances, news articles, posts, comments, etc. seem to come from a distinctly leftist perspective.
  2. There appears to be a lack of “centrist”, non-political, or right-wing voices (and I don’t mean extreme MAGA-type views, but rather more moderate conservative positions).
  3. Discussions often feel like they’re happening within an ideological bubble.

My questions to the community are:

  • Have others noticed this trend?
  • Do you think Lemmy is at risk of becoming an echo chamber for leftist views, a sort of Truth Social, Parler, Gab, etc., esque platform, but for Leftists?
  • Is this a problem we should be concerned about, or is it a natural result of Lemmy’s community-driven nature?
  • How might we encourage more diverse political perspectives while still maintaining a respectful and inclusive environment?
  • What are the potential benefits and drawbacks of having a more politically diverse user base on Lemmy?

As much as I align with many of the views expressed here, I wonder if we’re missing out on valuable dialogue and perspective by not having a more diverse range of political opinions represented.

I’m genuinely curious to hear your thoughts on this.

  • Majestic@lemmy.ml
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    20 minutes ago

    As a leftist myself (communist)

    Very, how do you do fellow kids energy from this comment.

    I don’t think I’ve ever interacted with a communist who would be upset about a lack of reactionaries in their spaces, they’d be relieved to have a place free of them and their ignorance and hate.

    And the fact you think that “centrists” and “right-wing” are somehow not extremists (but this made up special category of MAGA which by the way is most conservatives in the US and in a lot of the world somehow is) tells me you are politely not really politically literate.

    Liberals are reactionary enough in their excuse for genocide, you think for some reason we need space for not only them but the people who want to take away rights from trans people, who want to kill trans kids, who want to make women second class citizens, who are incredibly racist, war-mongering, anti-science, etc?

    As much as I align with many of the views expressed here, I wonder if we’re missing out on valuable dialogue and perspective by not having a more diverse range of political opinions represented.

    You can get that literally anywhere else offline or online, especially your home instance. You’re not from a leftist instance but from the most reddit-brained, centrist neo-lib instance.

    This is false equivalence, the idea that the left is too extreme and needs balancing with the right. Please just accurately identify your politics or don’t bother mentioning them as we can easily guess them from a post like this.

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    1. There appears to be a lack of “centrist”, non-political, or right-wing voices (and I don’t mean extreme MAGA-type views, but rather more moderate conservative positions).

    I see plenty of them. They’re just mostly on other instances to me (like your home instance).

    Furthermore, while it’s tempting to see the so-called ‘left’ and ‘right’ as equivalent mirrors needing to be balanced for diversity, the reality is far from it. After seeing Wolfballs in action (that instance died before the reddit API fiasco), I can tell you we don’t need to be balanced out by ‘white genocide’ discussions and more open anti-semitism. I know that’s not what you proposed, but it’s to illustrate that sometimes there isn’t value in arbitrary balancing the ‘left’ and ‘right’ on these websites.

    is it a natural result of Lemmy’s community-driven nature?

    It’s also a result of Lemmy’s history and appeal. When reddit went on sprees of deleting subreddits, the right-wing hate groups made their own reddit clones, anarchists typically went to Raddle, and when GenZedong and ChapoTrapHouse went down, they went to Lemmygrad.ml (as a result, it became the largest instance) and created Hexbear respectively. So there is a long history of larger communist communities from day one which was the status quo until the reddit API fiasco.

    The Fediverse also tends to attract anarchists and other socialists by the appeal of its decentralized nature, along with a few right-libertarians who see it as an anti-censorship tool. So one could say there’s a bias there.

    How might we encourage more diverse political perspectives while still maintaining a respectful and inclusive environment?

    That’s tough, because you inherently limit which political perspectives you can encourage.

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    My instance has conservative and anti-leftist communities. They’re more the personal playgrounds of a few people with humiliation and persecution fetishes though.

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    We shouldn’t be encouraging or squelching any political diversity whatsoever, we should be honing in more and more on how things actually are in the world, and the effects things are likely to have, regardless of who it pisses off or pleases.

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    Hearing from “both sides” and coming to some compromise/middle ground only works if the following is true:

    1. Both parties are acting in good faith.
    2. The viewpoints expressed are close enough that they don’t require a total departure from one’s current viewpoint.
    3. The disputed topic doesn’t have a obvious or clear correct answer.

    The problem is, at least in the US, none of these are true for right wingers and even many “centrists.”

    You cannot talk to somebody and try to find common ground if they don’t believe in statistical studies by government agencies, they don’t believe in scientific studies by major universities and research institutions, and don’t care about the rights and protections for minority groups.

    The older members of my family are almost all conservatives, MAGA supporters, and fundamentalist Christians.

    They genuinely believe that Evolution is a myth and the Earth was created 6000 years ago. They believe that illegal immigrants are invading this country and that Democrats are secretly allowing them to. They don’t believe humans have any effect on climate change. They don’t think Covid was anything more than a common cold that the government used as an excuse to try to control people. They don’t believe in vaccines.

    I find Lemmy to be very refreshing. I get news from a diverse collection of Leftists sources. Anarchists, statists, weak socialists like the AOC/Bernie types, government studies, independent guerrilla journalists, Communists, Mutualists, Marxists, etc.

    But I have no interest in further “diversifying” by adding right wing “sources.”

    Cookies can taste good with many different ingredients, but no cookie tastes good with horse poop.

  • bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net
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    Lemmy.worldi is full of right wing neolibs, who rule it with an iron fist. A pride flag doesn’t make a Cheney dem “left.”

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    Conservatives can quite frankly go somewhere else.

    Their policies are terrible and the only redeeming qualities of most countries we live in are socialist.

    Lemmy should reflect the actual political spectrum which is (IMO) Social Democrats on the far right and Tankies on the far left.

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    obligatory reminder that us-american domestic politics are so skewed to the right that what appears “moderate” in the usa is right to far-right anywhere else

    your “liberals” are right-wing your “conservatives” are right-wing both are liberals

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    Reason and Science has always a left leaning bias. Simply because Nature doesn’t give a shit about individual feelings or if someone believes if homosexuality is wrong. Nature does it’s thing an humans who accept and understand this are not left-leaning but normal.

    Corporate Social Media is manipulated like hell to shift the bias. That’s it.

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    As a non-American the issue as I see it is that too much of Lemmy is dominated by Americans and therefore American politics. I scroll through and read a ton of comments about how monstrous and vile the right wing is, and that’s just simply not true where I live. The popular American right is incredibly authoritarian and seeks to control all aspects of ones life. The right wing in my country is purely economic. You can debate capitalism vs communism I guess but no part of my countries right wants to remove the rights of women or the lgbt. Its all just a matter of where you live. And most people here live in the States.

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      Sadly I see that shifting as billionaires in other countries see the success of American billionaires. Hoarders of money and power exploit society to their gain any way they can get away with. The orthodoxy and social norms of your country may keep their power grabs in check to date, but be vigilant. The resources and power of billionaires allows them to play the long game on whittling away at anything that stands in the way of their egomaniacal lust for more. I hope for all of our sakes, this billionaire undermining movement that is spreading can be beaten back. What’s happened in America was not organic. It was a strategy engineered by idealogical confederations of billionaires pooling resources.

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      For now. Most countries are realising how well this is working and following suit. The Tories in the UK used to be mostly sensible and fiscally conservative. Then last election cycle they pivoted to talking about the tofu eating wokerati and attacking trans people. Support for things like abortion or LGB is generally more established but they’re chipping away at that too.

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          I generally agree but US politics is so toxic, that people who engage in it (including me sometimes because) need to be put into the same room and throw the key out so they can abuse each until they turn blue

          Hehe

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    @Teknevra
    I’m not a part of Lemmy, but I will say this: There are some people with whom reasonable dialog is just not possible. Speaking only for myself, I choose not to engage. That does not mean I’m not aware of what they are saying or thinking. It means that I am drawing a healthy boundary for myself.

    Your feelings about it are valid. You should absolutely seek out more mixed spaces, if that is what you want to do.

    Cheers!

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      I feel like we have come to a point in time where the Internet in general is becoming more separated like this in general. I enjoy Lemmy because I get a lot of the other perspectives in my day to day work life, and I like coming to this place to read and engage with people who share my views and ideas on topics. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Maybe that is pretty close to an echo chamber, but it is what I am seeking after spending every work day with conservatives.

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      Yeah this mirrors my approach to it.

      People can like Trump/Musk or dream of Marxism in practice. I am so far from both ideologies that I find it difficult to relate to either, and end up being called a traitor by the left and a triggered lib/loser by the right. Lemmy is in my experience quite left.

      The political differences have become so extreme that I just avoid any debate at all and stick to the technical stuff and hobbies. My sanity is more important to me than trying to convince someone over the pond that they are wrong.

      Honestly, I just try to live my life as the best person I can be. I’ve gotten to old to try to change anyone else. And I have had some great encounters here, so I am not going back to Reddit anytime soon.

      Stay awesome, people!

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    Conservatism is generally a worthless ideology that makes the world worse, so I don’t feel a desire to spend more time with it. We don’t need to debate “what if women don’t have rights”, “what if gay stuff is illegal?”, “what if you had to pay for health care so if you were poor you’d just die?” or whatever.