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“No.”
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Why do people deflect instead of just saying no?
I was struggling to understand that for a long time too. It seems like it’s a mix of being told that just saying no is not polite and an aversion to conflict. Especially when stating needs.
Some parents actively discourage their children to state their needs clearly and concisely from a very very young age.
Companies that give personality tests in the hiring process are largely looking at your “agreeableness” score. We’re constantly taught (from an early age, as you mention) that the default answer should be “Yes.” If you’re creative, you might push it to “Yes, and…” But a plain “no” from anyone who isn’t explicitly labeled as a “leader” is a non-starter in systems obsessed with hierarchy.
There are really only three options. Try to climb an existing hierarchy. Make your own hierarchy and place yourself atop it. Or operate within and between hierarchies without unnecessarily validating their existence. That last one’s increasingly difficult by design. And honestly, the second one usually requires exploiting others.
Sure, that’s fine in IRL. It fails on any kind of discussion board though, at least for anything not as comically egregious as “give me your banking details.”
Slippery slope, you have to give the ATM your bank details
That is an appeal to authority, but not a fallacious one. Lawmakers know a lot about how and why people steal. Fallacious appeal to authority is when the authority you’re talking about has no knowledge of the topic, for example quoting a psychologist on nutrition advice.
Appeal to authority isn’t saying something about the quality of the authority, it’s that the quality of the authority has to be considered. There’s a bit of nuance between the two there.
Basically “because they’re in charge/an expert” isn’t a satisfactory answer on its own anymore than “because I said so” is. The context of their leadership/expertise has to be considered before you make the appeal.
This matters when we enter cultural moments like now where, for instance, a large swath of Americans just by default refuse to accept the CDC/FDA/etc. as legitimate authorities. Their politicians told them they can’t be trusted so they internalize appeals to them as built on a lie.
In a way, “because I say so” is appeal to (my) authority
Good point!
Which has to be respected, of course.
Yes Cartman!
Nah.
Lawmakers don’t know shit about fuck. Sometimes they have experts available they listen to. Otherwise it’s whoever spends the most, who they’re buddies with, or what just feels like it will jive with their base at the time.
ad hominem
Fallacy fallacy.
Sometimes a person is insufferable and that’s the problem.
Like with lawmakers.
Lawmakers, or at least those advising them, know plenty about theft and all its different flavors. Why do you think rich people theft like fraud is punished so much more lightly than poor people theft?
It’s also not whataboutism…
motte and bailey
lol, fallacy fallacy
I’ve actually had this dispute on Lemmy.
Dude kept insisting I tell him my income but refused to say how or why it would be relevant.
Ed: no joke, it was flyingsquid too which is a bit more funny tbh.
It’s a very sensible conclusion when I’ve asked you how rich you are multiple times and you refuse to answer. Even after I told you my economic situation.
You’re rich and you are embarrassed about it because it makes you look just as callous and dismissive of the poor as Elon.
To be fair, you did call them a petty tyrant for making a joke about trolling the sovcit posts as an IRS agent.
Also made me curious if you do enjoy some light tax evasion or are into the whole “I don’t pay taxes because I am the only citizen in my own nation inside your nation” thing
The cope 😂
Correct, that’s both petty and tyrannical which makes them a petty tyrant ie. Someone who would abuse their power to amuse or benefit themselves. It’s only worse that it’s on sovcit shit because that’s their actual claim ie that government is abusing them.
Also made me curious if you do enjoy some light tax evasion or are into the whole “I don’t pay taxes because I am the only citizen in my own nation inside your nation” thing
How? I’m literally pointing out their wish to abuse their power. Why would I dodge taxes if I give a shit about the government working as intended?
TIL it is tyranny to investigate tax evasion
That’s not what they said. You can disagree but at least be correct about the undisputed facts.
Your first mistake was choosing to debate one of the most argumentative people on Lemmy. Can only get weird from there
Not a mistake. I like arguing and getting them to abuse their mod power and admin connections to try to win arguments just makes it more entertaining for me.
Keep going. While people like you troll each other, at least you can’t annoy others.
Ok? What even is your point.
So what is it?
More than a dollar less than several billion.
No way, me too
Lets start a club!
Same
I bet it’s even more than a thousand dollars a year!
If it isn’t, I’m so sorry buddy, and I hope your situation improves somehow.
That’s such a low bar for “rich”. The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars.
About the same ratio as the difference between a thousandaire and a millionaire?
inb4 the tenionaire crowd flaunt their wealth.
That’s something only a Geringverdiener™ would say!
/s
Bro you must be 0.01%er in his mind for him to compare you to elon musk lmao, I would take that as a compliment. And he did a foe par asking for your IRL income.
The best answer to that question avoids all fallacies.
“No”
Appeal to logic
So not a fallacy?
I think gigachad could argue that it’s Invincible Ignorance.
That sounds like admitting defeat “you don’t care about any arguments I could make”
Slippery slope, if its no all the time you’ll encounter a situation when yes is a critical answer.
That’s a single authority falacy, in this case there is only one opinion, the person who’s protecting their financial information, to promote the idea of not looking into someone’s bank account. When there could be a legitimate reason to look into a person’s finances.
In all seriousness in so far as the meme is presenting itself single authority is prudent. Like what if every decision about yourself everyone was always a stakeholder? That would be hell.
Why did you post a screenshot of every argument I’ve ever been on on this platform?
Fallacy fallacy
I will gladly send you my banking details
Sarcasm is last refuge of the wittless .
actually funny meme
oh no. I’ve been on the left-hand side of this before. I knew what I was doing.
That’s almost what those words mean
“Nunya.”
Sure, my account number is 1 2 3 4 5
What’s your lemmy password?
hunter2
Why did you just post a bunch of asterisks?
It’s 942822688476
