We can call it HATE, yeah. There’s not a day when this OS is not my way.

Basic, plain Windows 10 Professional installation, nothing fancy. If it was not the gamers, it would have died long time ago.

ventilating…

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      This is why I mentioned it with the question marks. Regarding Windows, it is a fact that many professional applications in various fields are for Windows and do not have feasible alternatives. Games are not the main problem, where there are more and more that also have versions for Linux.

      Linux has some advantages over Windows, without a doubt, but the problem is that there are many different distros and not all of them are fully compatible with each other, and for this reason in certain professions that require certain software, the only possibility is to use Windows, so least for now.

      It is the result when an OS dominates almost 90% of the market and the rest is shared between iOS and 50 different Linux distros, certain software companies often do not bother to spend the money to develop specific software, for so many different OS, with which implies, leaving it in the hands of communities and individuals to dedicate themselves to this, which on the other hand naturally do not have it easy to develop software for official uses, town halls, health, education, banks, etc. that for this reason they are not going to use Linux, exceptions aside, in most cases in the field of soft for servers.

      Adding also that Windows has with distance the biggest catalogue of FOSS of all OS, apart from the comercial soft. MS even allows itself the luxury of offering distros, even Kali, in the MS Store itself, they know their position very well, for this they tolerate even this fake Windows like LinuxFX, even though it even uses the Windows logo and MS services, or ReactOS, because MS knows very well the limitations they have and they cannot be a competition to be taken seriously, if not, they would have faced lawsuits for crimes against copyright a long time ago.

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          As I said before, everybody can have 2 or more Os in it’s PC in dual or multi boot. I have a great preference for FOSS, whenever possible, but first of all I care more about the service or the software that best serves my purposes and uses that I give it and that it has sufficient quality. If it’s FOSS, better, but it’s not always like that.

          I’m not a programmer and whether or not I can see the source code isn’t necessarily a priority, if I know the product is reliable, which isn’t always the case at FOSS either. It amuses me when I see clear statements like, ‘if it’s not FOSS, it’s crap’, something that some I know have already been unpleasantly surprised that it isn’t what they thought, as many times with fixed ideas in other areas. I am old and with computers since punched cards were used and I have seen practically everything, in the past with some successes with the PCs I had, which made me learn the hard way. Now I can say that I have a reliable PC, in the configuration and with the software that adapts to the millimeter to my needs, without failing to keep up with new developments. Naturally everyone has their own priorities and for this reason one can never make claims that this or that is better than others, simply if it works for you without bad surprises and without having to make life unnecessarily more complicated…

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              I am aware of all the problems in Windows, avoiding even to connect to MS pages, because MS site is the worst tracker and spy nightmare in the web, worse as Google, MS even use keylogging and mousemovements to profile the user. But this doesn’t take away from that and you can keep your privacy within an acceptable range, if you need to use Windows for whatever reason, if you’re being prevented from connecting to the house and blocking media that try to do so. Leaving it as it should be, a platform for applications, without further ado.

              Of course, it is recommended to use Linux and there is no problem using it in dual boot, which is the best and **only **solution for those who need to use Windows. I am very aware of the problems of privacy on the network and I know how to keep it as much as possible, but I do not have many illusions that 100% privacy and security is possible on the network, it would be childish to believe this. I use Vivaldi simply because it is the browser that best suits my preferences and needs out of all the browsers that I have tried, practically all of them, and because I know that it offers good privacy, despite the UI script that is auditable but proprietary, because I also know that it has nothing to do with the privacy of the product, it depends solely on the developer or company, regardless of whether it is FOSS or not. I have known the Vivaldi devs for 6 years and I know their ethics regarding users, because those who can, actively participate in the community, including von Tetzchner himself. They even work on Sundays if there is a bug, to send a fix as quickly as possible. I don’t know of many other companies that do. This is what is important for me, if for you it is FF or some fork, better for you, I have it as a second browser, apart from some others.

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                  Don’t misunderstand me with the privacy, when you go online not even with VPN and TOR you are protected 100%, there are to many high tech tracking and profiling used by big tech and goverments (test it in Browserleaks and you will see, and Browserleaks only use the most important methodes). The user can only make it somwhat more difficult to profile him, more, he can’t employ full protection, because it will brake most of the websites which will stop to work properly. Adding naturally that the user himself is the biggest privacy hole. Nothing to do with communism, but with the greed of Big Companies which dominate the web. apart of countries which intercept sat and undersea cables (Echelon, bulk interception, etc.).

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          Wrong. There is only 1 major ecosystem in Linux world, which is APT/DEB. Companies cater first to Ubuntu/Debian, then RedHat/SUSE, then Fedora and rest. And Flatpaks and Snaps have solved the dependency problem, and work well with every big distribution,

          where is your reasoning behind this? Redhat is used much more widely in the commercial space over ubuntu. Yes ubuntu pushes security patches and other updates rather quicky but to say the whole of linux in the business world is dominated by debian/ubuntu is simply untrue.

          Also snap is fucking awful and you’re insane for suggesting it’s a good piece of software. It goes against FOSS principles and you saying otherwise just proves your ignorance. Canonical pushing snap is mostly due to their effort to shift package maintenance away from the distros and onto the developers. It does very little to improve security, which is the whole point of running containerized applications. Not to mention it pretty much locks you into canonical’s ‘snap store’. One of the best things about linux is shared libraries, and snap just shits all over that in favor of shipping libraries with the application, which is exactly how windows works.

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              I can shit on you 100 times over for being someone who recommends Vivaldi and promotes Windows culture, but I think it is not worth it, because no dialogue with you can convince you of your overwhelming anti-FOSS biases that hurt FOSS community.

              lol wat? when did i recommend vivaldi? also what the fuck is ‘windows culture’? I’m working in this field and I can tell you that no one would want to add more complexities to their work when it is not necessary, or better yet not appreciated.

              You’re advocating snap packages which is completely anti-foss, and is more like windows app store than anything else. I like how you completely ignored everything I said about that. This has nothing to do with FOSS and everything to do with your inability to recognize any viewpoints other than your own.

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      Have you ever tried to get a business to switch to Linux? Its possible but you would have to convince them to stop using ms office (no,libreoffice isn’t good enough), adobe suite, and a shit ton of other business related applications that could run on Linux but youll be on call 24/7 dealing with small issues and youll eventually realize you made a huge mistake unless they’re paying you twice your rate.

      I hate Microsoft more than most but when it comes to stuff like this, Linux just isn’t going to cut it for people who don’t actually like using computers and just do it because its an essential part of their revenue stream. Linux would just cut into that revune and reduce their productivity unless they were 100% committed to using it, for whatever reason.

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          So no, you’ve never migrated a business to Linux?

          I’m not talking about large companies with an actual IT dept, I’m talking about small businesses that can’t afford to keep a staff of more than one or two IT guys who are also handling stuff like the network, website, DNS, and sometimes even social media. Many of these businesses use services that WILL NOT run on linux (think POS systems and other specialized stuff), whether it is because they dont want to worry about supporting it or just don’t care.

          Not to mention using rdp to run office and other stuff pretty much defeats the purpose of moving to Linux since youll now have to be supporting a bunch of Linux desktops AND the windows systems you’re running these applications on. All the while trying to get them to work well together. No thanks.

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            Companies can use mostly Linux without problems, because can use the soft they want, not so official sites, like municipal or state administrations, banks, study centers, etc. they have to use what the central offers in the different branches and organizations.

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              Are you running such a business? I do not care. And I know pretty well how businesses work, whether they are small startups with 5 people and 8 PCs/laptops, or medium scale with 30-50 people, or large scale.

              No but I do IT for numerous businesses in this position. I could make the case to switch to linux but if I followed your advice it would just make everything even more complicated, since you suggest to keep running windows but RDP into it.

              IT support starts to become complicated when people cannot work on their Windows machines for 5 hours, and companies need to meet their deadlines.

              That’s usually due to bad administration. It is very much possible to control when and what updates get installed in a properly configured AD environment. Not to mention these are really non-issues if you have proper snapshotting/backups set up. If a desktop got locked into a five hour update you should be able to easily restore it to it’s previous saved state. Or better yet have run those updates in a test environment first so you know what to expect when you roll them out to the rest of the workstations.

              Running windows shit through RDP isn’t migrating to linux, it’s adding linux to a microsoft ecosystem, which just adds another layer of complexity to the system. Small to medium sized businesses have no reason to do this when it will just add more costs to their IT support. Not to mention the people they will need to hire to do this kind of work are going to want a hell of a lot more than they’re willing to pay.

              It also becomes complicated when people run into dependency hell, and this or that DLL file is missing or crashes. Windows is hell for most people, they are just using it since childhood and accept it like abusive relationship, and because there exist people that like helping sustain this cultural hell.

              I’ve never had any of those issues in a properly maintained environment. I see this happening mostly with end users who install a bunch of crap antivirus that functions more like malware.

              Don’t get me wrong, I hate supporting windows environments, but sometimes there’s no better option. You keep saying ‘windows makes it more complicated’ but your suggestion is to make it even more complicated. This does not make sense.

              P.S. I forgot to tell I migrated my college from Windows to Linux, probably more than whatever you have done.

              Schools/universities are an entirely different story. It is much easier to migrate them to a linux/foss alternative because a lot of their software is written internally. Not to mention education platforms are more open to creating native linux applications as there are much fewer universities in the world than small/medium sized businesses. It’s much easier to teach someone how to use linux when they’re in a place where they are learning new skills, rather than when you’re dealing with people who have been using windows their whole professional lives and are just there for a paycheck. I wholly support the push towards more linux native development for businesses, but when it comes down to it that is just not feasible in most situations (for now). Also schools are more interested in cutting costs and have the resources to do so, which is why linux makes sense for them. Many businesses would rather just pay the money for licensing and support than have to deal with the headache of migrating to a new ecosystem.

              Thanks for the downvote, I do not believe in the GrapheneOS/Windows stuff like a worshipper.

              dude, what? you are so cringe.