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It’s almost as if, hear me out here, the Norwegians are right…
Considering how damn low their recidivism rates are, that’s a hell yes
Unlike incarcerated residents with jobs in the kitchen or woodshop who earn just a few hundred dollars a month, remote workers make fair-market wages, allowing them to pay victim restitution fees and legal costs, provide child support, and contribute to Social Security and other retirement funds.
Interesting if that’s really true, given how prison labor being slavery is pretty much how it works otherwise.
I’d love to know how fair-market the wages are, becuase I somehow suspect that:
- They’re way lower than someone not in prison would get paid and
- The benefits don’t exist (no PTO, no insurance, no 401k, etc.) and
- The coercive incentives of being able to report your employee to their guards would drive all sorts of abuses
This reads to me as a feel-good whitewashing piece so fragile white liberals can point to it and go ‘See? Prison labor isn’t that bad!’, but perhaps I’m wrong.
You might want to read the whole article. It provides a lot of supporting evidence including names of inmates and how much money they’re making per hour. No, they’re not getting all of it. 10% of their pay is taken for “housing” them at the jail,which is BS, but whatever, that’s small potatoes compared to having nothing at all.
From the end of the article:
Scott never thought much of herself, she said, and after being sentenced to 11 years in prison, she felt she would forever be labeled a “criminal.” But then she enrolled in college, got involved in MIT’s Educational Justice Institute, and in the spring of last year, landed a fellowship making $25 an hour as a project manager for the Alliance for Higher Education in Prison, where she helped develop a guide to remote work.
Being part of professional networks that valued her contributions has helped her redefine her place in the world, Scott said, and “see a better version of myself.”
In all, Scott has managed to save nearly $30,000. She applied for supervised community confinement and was able to rent an apartment after her father persuaded the landlord to drop the “no felonies” clause by showing him her résumé and bank statements.
Scott could be released soon. She has a place to live and another possible job on the horizon.
So this particular inmate, who is still incarcerated, is making $25 an hour and has been able to save $30,000 and potentially has an apartment lined up. There’s other examples and evidence in the article, but I suggest you read the whole thing.
Well, you’ve got great points.
And, here in the US, they’re points that require extra scrutiny of any such situation.
That being said, Norway has done this kind of thing with incredible success, and not just remote work either. So the idea itself is most definitely one that merits a real attempt here too
Maybe somebody should make the argument that random businesses benefiting from prison labor is not only unethical for the prisoner, but also for the people that they owe restitution to.
fragile white liberals can point to it and go ‘See? Prison labor isn’t that bad!’
I just don’t see any liberal type (I’m assuming you mean progressives – just basically the opposite of trumpets) saying American prison labour is good. But they may say that if decent and meaningful labour at union-like wages has been shown to be beneficial for decreasing recidivism, then let’s trust the science and get some oversight and assessment going to confirm or refute it.
Unlike incarcerated residents with jobs in the kitchen or woodshop who earn just a few hundred dollars a month, remote workers make fair-market wages, allowing them to pay victim restitution fees and legal costs, provide child support, and contribute to Social Security and other retirement funds. Like inmates in work-release programs who have jobs out in the community, 10 percent of remote workers’ wages go to the state to offset the cost of room and board. All Maine DOC residents get re-entry support for housing and job searches before they’re released, and remote workers leave with even more: up-to-date résumés, a nest egg — and the hope that they’re less likely to need food or housing assistance, or resort to crime to get by.
I went into this article skeptical. Allowing them to be paid fairly shouldn’t be a big deal but it absolutely is. Getting inmates a nest-egg to go back to the world with is huge, because most inmates walk out with almost nothing, which often leads to chronic homelessness and ending up back in jail. This is huge. I’m glad to see it at least somewhere.
Having to pay only 10% of your income for room and board, sounds so good, people would kill for it.
because most inmates walk out with almost nothing, which often leads to chronic homelessness and ending up back in jail.
There is a reason the “former” slaves states like Alabama ensure that prisoners are destitute when they are released.
Allowing them to be paid fairly shouldn’t be a big deal but it absolutely is.
Not many people realize it but slavery is still legal in the US. Convicted inmates can be forced to work as part of their punishment.
I want every prison in my country emptied today, police abolished and for this humanitarian crisis to never happen again, no matter the cost.
Moral hazard, getting money/profit from prison labor creates a incentive to have more laborers contributing their tithe. Or find creative ways to keep high value laborers for longer.
We never made slavery illegal in the U.S. That’s why we make various things a crime, send people to prison, and then bam, free labor for pennies on the dollar, and sometimes nothing. And the BEST PART, they aren’t subject to labor laws, so they can treat them subhuman, and create working conditions that would make you want to puke. Yay capitalism, where everyone is just a number.
free labor for pennies on the dollar, and sometimes nothing
🤔
Maybe i should have called it forced labor. They don’t exactly have a choice.
