These are starting to really stack up with the nutty mods in some of these places and I’d like to keep score and perhaps display them somewhere. I’m wondering if there’s a list?
If not, short of crawling every community findable by an account and checking banned status by e.g. attempting to post, is there a way to collate such a list programmatically with e.g. an API or cURL or selenium automation, given the structure of the fediverse?
Yeah, it must be the numerous different “nutty” mods! It’s definitely not you that’s the common denominator here!
Right? “I’ve been banned from enough communities on different topics that I can’t keep track! Could it be that I’m an asshat? No, it’s definitely the mods…”
I looked at the modlog and while OP seems snarky, sarcastic, and opinionated, their bans seem pretty unnecessary by my standards. The stated reasons seem fairly dubious, more mod finds your opinion disagreeable than any rule-breaking.
Moderation on Lemmy is a shit show honestly.
I mean, moderators are just people. When you put people to act as a judge, whether being in a court of law, or a internet forum, its the same problem with people having their own biases. Lemmy is new, has a small pool of users, there is a smaller selection of people to act as mods. But Lemmy is not run as a bussiness like reddit, so the instance admins that are just fediverse enthusiasts can step in and remove mods that are just powetripping, unlike reddit that doesn’t want to do anything about it
The issue there is that admins are also overworked volunteers, so they have little incentive to step in an anger their mods who they depend on to manage local communities.
I’m not saying anyone involved here is a bad person, just that the system as it currently works creates bad outcomes. I’m not totally sure what would be better but I’d like to see more experimentation on this topic.
!pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net has a limited form of automated moderation. I don’t think this particular method will solve the problem but I’d like to see more similar experiments.
I mean there are some shit mods man. I got banned from a community once because I criticized a New York Post article. Said it was baseless and there was no substance to it. I guess the guy was mad that I correctly identified the source.
I got banned once for saying the holocaust was one of many genocides throughout history and not unique…
Edit: I’m really curious to know if people downvoting the above statement think Nazis invented the genocide?
People are downvoting you, because while the Holocaust wasn’t the first nor last genocide, it still is unique. Your initial statement makes two claims, but you only refer to the one less controversial one in your “curious edit”.
It is unique in the sense that every genocide has been unique. My statement for which I got banned was in the context of ‘nothing like this has ever happened to anybody else!’
But that was one case, of course there are some mods that are just shit (or maybe just interpreted things wrong, made a mistake or acted based on emotions for various reasons) but if it’s this many cases, it becomes kinda hard to believe that all of those mods are the issue and not the person getting banned by multiple mods
you can go read OP’s modlog and report back to support your claim ;)
I actually did but in another comment
respect.
reddit and lemmy are nearly homogenous in terms of humor and politics and personality. there’s a way to speak so that your comments aren’t misunderstood and it often means prefacing what you’re about to say with some context that wouldn’t otherwise be needed, or ending with /s or something like that. if you’ve been here long enough you forget how weird this is
In my experience, that’s just the .world instance and its associated halo of federated communities.
It’s actually really cool how there’s multiple spheres of culture on lemmy, which are more and less Reddity.
that probably just means you fit into the online personality mold that exists here
Are you saying there aren’t a metric fuckton of power-tripping nutjobs in self-appointed positions of authority in the Fediverse?
I mean, most other people here aren’t banned on so many communities that we want a way to display all the communities we’re banned on
Ok? So?
I’d like to compare lists with a bunch of people like OP. It would be handy for average Lemmings to know which communities have moderators with sandy cracks. It would be super useful for admins looking to improve their mod teams.
Honestly, you’re right. I also apologized to OP in another comment. I don’t know why I was so against them when I wrote these comments.
I get it. Have a snickers.
Bootlicker will always side with authority by default, it is a human condition and one of the mean reasons why we are getting fucked. The harder normie bootlicks, the harder daddy owner fucks us. It starts with basic shit like this but goes all the way up.
Lemmy really needs an app with a de-moderation feature, like Uneddit did for Reddit.
The modlog is great, but it relies on the user going out and looking for power-tripping mods. A better option would be a client app that parses an instance’s mod log and restores and highlights moderated comments.
Censorship might be necessary on today’s platforms, but it is still an evil. Censors need to be closely monitored by the community.
I think some Fediverse mods are more extreme and biased than their equivalent on Reddit.
For example, criticizing the anti-men stance (as in: nothing to do with feminism) promoted by jlai.lu admins for example got me my ban. My first ever ban despite being very active on Reddit for 10 years prior to migrating to Lemmy.
Smaller communities do feel like an echo chamber as a consequence.
PS: sh.itjust.works admins do look fine though!
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Scroll down to bottom. Click “Modlog”. There is an option to filter for your username.
You are apparantly banned for what mods are describing as “Transmedicalism”.
From reading their posts, op is either sarcastic to a degree that does not play well on the Internet, or continually dip their toes into communities with highly charged opinions and then acts surprised when their peers take offense.
The transmedicalism accusation is borderline spurious and I think the accusations is extreme given what I read (they’re more taking note of the difference between fashion expression and gender. They’re not saying who is it isn’t trans to gatekeep, they’re presenting the idea that some people might be less confused and make different life choices if more people tolerated traditionally-gendered subjects (like clothing and makeup) from anyone without judgement
OP was helping people find meth on the dark web in the ADHD community and when their posts were removed they posted the same again.
Are you exaggerating when you say meth? Were they helping people who couldn’t afford medication find prescription medicine at reasonable prices? Or was it literally street meth?
No. I was helping people practice harm reduction if they do get amphetamine - be it Adderall or LisDex formulation like Vyvanse/Elvanse without the oversight of a medical professional or pharmacist and explaining that it is a possibility, and that instead of the war on drugs type approach of claiming it’s simply not real, we should take care of our own with solidarity, e.g. explaining how to get proper purity tests to ensure you are not consuming meth, how to find reliable and semi-trustworthy sources, avoid scams etc.
Just comveying things I learned the hard way - from experience - while waiting on the NHS for a prescription that I have now and having to keep my life together to keep my job etc in the meanwhile.
I did the same for my own IRL gf who suffered from meds shortages, and I did the same for the trans community back in the day and I stand by it.
Edit: I genuinely cannot understand how this can be downvoted by anyone of sound mind whatsoever. Every single person I know with ADHD self-medicates or has self-medicated with darknet amph or supplemented during shortages due to healthcare system fuckups, but they are shit at it, getting god knows what miscallenous powders and suffering.
How could someone ever possibly disagree with promoting harm reduction practices, yet agree with a sensationalist comment that equates ADHD medication to meth? How can you actually think at all, and arrive at such a conclusion?
The opinions on the morality of harm reduction are irrelevant. The ADHD community on Lemmy is not the appropriate place to spread that knowledge for a ton of reasons that have nothing to do with the morality of harm reduction.
I’m not surprised you got banned. You were putting the administration and moderation team in a very difficult position. You should have simply stated ‘I have knowledge about X. Contact me on direct messages or Session/Signal/Matrix for details’
For the record I completely agree with your position on harm reduction
If that’s not the appropriate place to spread such information, then what is? If anything to me that’s what such places should be about.
It’s not your space to make that decision for. You are not the one who has potential problems if it draws negative attention. You aren’t the one responsible if server admins choose to block that community due to the law-breaking information you’re making available.
The appropriate place to share information that clearly instructed people on how to break the law is in private, or in a space you have created and control yourself.
It’s uncool to demand others allow you to use spaces they are in charge of like this. Have a little respect for the people who actually created these spaces.
How can you actually think at all, and arrive at such a conclusion?
Bold claim, asserting that whoever downvoted you thought before doing it. Humans short-circuit all the time, nothing you can do about that, and getting bitter or exasperated won’t help, either. Deal with it. If you want you can start your comments with something universally agreeable, that always helps, and only then get into details. “Universally agreeable” as in “agreeable to both truth and all false notions anyone on earth has at the moment”. If you want to get idiots to listen you have to start out on a common ground that they share.
More specifically, in this case, you could’ve started your comment with a short rant about the state of availability of ADHD medication.
I’m not bitter, ultimately none of this affects me in the selfish sense, just lightly perplexed. I appreciate your explanation. Figures most people just have kneejerk reactions.
The trans whatever thing seems like something I’ve wondered, and now I know better than to state any such opinions online.
Trying to talk about it online is like trying to talk about jews and Israel without being called an antisemite. You better have a lot of time to explain exactly what you mean.
You better have a lot of time to explain exactly what you mean.
Don’t discuss sensitive topics under handle tied to your person, government and pro Israel groups are tracking all of this and they will try to ruin your life. Other topics attract similar behavior.
Also, with Israel’s conduct, they should be explaining themselves but that’s just an opinion. But i think larger society should position themselves properly re Israel. We can’t justify genocide because Hitler killed million of people some of which were jews 80 years ago. Mainstream narrative feels like a justification for the current genocide.
They’re not saying who is it isn’t trans to gatekeep, they’re presenting the idea that some people might be less confused and make different life choices if more people tolerated traditionally-gendered subjects (like clothing and makeup) from anyone without judgement
When an identity seems to be defined by appearance/presentation to those who don’t understand it personally, assuming the identity would occur less frequently if social norms were less restrictive does make sense. Like personally I don’t think drag would be a thing if it wasn’t a bit of a response to gender norms. I mean even if society didn’t care about which gender wears which clothes some guys would get dolled up and even do essentially the same performative thing because some people just love to perform, but it wouldn’t be the same thing that drag is now and it wouldn’t be controversial to bigots. I mean women wearing pants was a huge fucking deal for no real reason and nobody really cares anymore.
But using clothing choices as a reason someone might be trans misses the point that a lot of trans people wore jeans and t shirts before and after transitioning because there is far more to it than the superficial appearance of clothing choice.
I think reading it as “clothing choices as a reason someone might trans” is reductive of the point being made
That was not the point being made at all. Precisely the opposite, that being trans *** is not *** about clothing choices, but a physical characteristic of suffering from sex dysphoria over specific physical traits that goes away when those traits are corrected. This is my experience as a trans person.
On the other hand being gender fluid and identifying with other GNC subcultures is not about such physical issues.
That said there could be better ways to show info like this on the fediverse. Except, it’s complicated.
You could be banned on an instance, but also separately banned on an individual community on an instance, or your instance could be defederated from one running a community. Any of which could lock you out in theory.
It’s not as clear cut as closed systems. This is mostly a good thing but for clarity, not so much :p
This is jsut kind of what happens if you dip into random posts on thr global feed. There is a mix of generalist Lemmy sites that expect people to behave like they’re on Reddit, and everything’s just a free for all, and insular sites that are focused on a narrower community, operating more like independent forums.
Stepping into one of these spaces, and treating it like a big, open one is going to get you tossed on your ass like you’re DJ Jazzy Jeff in an Uncle Phil convention.
You need to be aware of what community you are engaging with around here, because it might not want your participation. That is not power tripping, that is just being unwelcoming.
Exactly this. And some of these communities have very good reasons for being insular in order to protect specific goals they have established.
I don’t use the global feed, only subscribed and sorting by scaled - always.
All of the communities I’ve been banned from I’m a long-time subscriber and lurker in with a genuine interest in the subject matter, or I wouldn’t look at them in the first place.
they’re presenting the idea that some people might be less confused and make different life choices if more people tolerated traditionally-gendered subjects (like clothing and makeup) from anyone without judgement
The problem is that a gender & sexuality based on a spectrum makes it extremely hard to define things, which is something humans just naturally do and why we ended up with the binary way of it. But if we have a spectrum ranging from masculine to feminine, then we suddenly have not just trans people, but also those who may identify & look like the opposite gender, but don’t want to fully transition (i.e. keep their birth sex). You basically have anything in between the two binary categories now, and that is consequently muddy on top of being new and foreign for most people and even often within trans communities. Doesn’t help that research on those topics is also still fairly early and definitions can change rather quickly at times, making it hard to keep up with it.
One is a people suffering from a horrific disorder in desperate need of effective medical care (transition) and the other is a fashion subculture.
I have no horse in this race, but I can see the transmedicalism claim
Yeah that’s is definitely not well presented, but I’m willing to assume good intent here I think? Like, I can get behind the difference between people who are suffering due to dysphoria being fundamentally different than people who are suffering from the expectations placed by society on their gender. And I feel like that was at the heart of their statement, despite the presentation being awful
Idk, I felt like I presented that as politely and diplomatically as possible, but perhaps my entire scale is just utterly off.
OP might be a classic internet troll. Those like to stir up arguments and some small drama. They’re not necessarily sarcastic or surprised or anything. That’s just a means to get people agitated and react a certain way.
NGL this is true to an extent, but it’s not to just get a reaction but to get people to think.
Fundamentally all content on the internet lives and dies by attention, and the presentation of an attention-grabbing hot take even when the underlying point is an extremely common and sensible position is just a way to get people to think.
It’s the same way YouTube video titles work too, often an absurd question that has an obvious answer is a pretext to fleshing out the details and discussing said obvious answer.
Yeah, judging by your comments, you’re not a classic troll. I couldn’t judge from your original post, because you could either genuinely not know about the global modlog and the text area at the top to put your username in… Or post this for another reason. And I mean I was right and you got quite some reaction and attention specifically to your person. And that’d be something a troll would feed from.
Idk. I think things like posting something out of ulterior motives, like not meaning literally what you write, but instead writing something to make people (re)think something… Or playing advocatus diaboli… Or other things like that are closely related to trolling. It’s not the same. But everything is a spectrum anyways.
And in that regard idk why I got downvoted. I didn’t say you are a troll. I said think about OP, they could have a hidden motive like if they were a troll…
Out of curiosity, I looked at what I was banned from: some of them are communities I’ve never even interacted with like !tesseract@dubvee.org? What is that even?
And slrpnk has an automated bot now that bans and unbans people. Again, from a community I don’t even recognize (pleasant politics? huh?).
Probably saw you say something that violates their community rules so they pre-emptively banned you.
Like hypothetically, if I was a mod of a LBGT+ community, and just browsing the news community and see someone start saying homophobic or transphobic slurs in another community I’m not a mod of, I can just do a preemptive ban so the user never has a chance to attack the users in my community. You get the idea?
The mods of that community doesn’t want you there so they banned you before you can have a chance to do what they perceive to be rule-breaking.
The automated bot was created by the mod of pleasant politics in an effort to create a place to talk about politics that didn’t have trolls and nasty people. It scans users across the lemmyverse and determines to ban or unban based on how inflammatory you are, which is determined by your downvote/upvotes ratio over time.
That seems quite easy to game. Create a bunch of accounts across multiple instances, target a user you don’t like, find comments / posts with low vote counts and downvote all of those. That’ll skew the ratio and get them “preemtively” banned from communities that use that bot.
The bot is designed to be resilient against those attacks, the creator goes into more detail here.
A saw a post a while from mods of server saying they noticed these patterns already.
Thanks!
Damn, I understand why this person was banned, looking at the removed comments. I mean, they’re not bad enough that I would remove them but I can understand why someone else would and if those are the comments that were only removed, the bans were probably for other comments (I’m just assuming banning someone would remove their comments from that community too). The comment about how gender is bullshit sounded based at first but then they said that it doesn’t exist at all (which it obviously does, even if it’s just a societal construct) and that gender dysphoria didn’t have anything to do with gender. That’s a comment I highly disagree with but IMO that’s not so bad that I would remove it. But the comment about how twitch streamers were just leeching of of the youth and how V-Tubers were just incel bait and that they should be banned just like sex work is really hateful. Entertainment is also valuable in society and using a virtual avatar instead of a face cam doesn’t suddenly make it sexual in any way.
Anyway, pretty long comment but I kinda felt like sharing my opinion on this.
I don’t want to go off-topic but since you made a character judgement i’d like the chance to respond, I was really just drawing a line between trans people with gender dysphoria who have medical needs that I think political campaigns should focus on versus those folks without.
I have nothing against anyone either way, people are free to dress or ID however they wish, no sweat off my back, I just don’t want suffering I went through to happen to others when it’s truly needless and I think the massaging could be clearer with regards to that.
I really wasn’t trying to attack you or anything, that was just the expression I got from the comments I saw. I guess I also had bad expectations going in because I thought if so many people banned you, then there must be a reason.
I didn’t get the expression that you had anything against trans people but I might have misunderstood your comments on the gender dysphoria thing. You can explain that if you want, I still don’t really get what you mean, honestly.
I still really disagree with the twitch streamer and especially the V-Tuber thing tho but I’m still sorry for judging based on the few things I saw.
Cheers!
“All the communities” you’re … dude, what kind of serial shitposter… nevermind, have a nice day bye.
Yeah? Which ones am I not? Lol I’m not a shitposter wtf?
I’m only banned from communities to do with queerness, socialism, Europe, news, ADHD and politics. I’m a trans woman from Europe who has ADHD, is a socialist (Anarchist) with an interest in news and politics.
My hobbies also include hacking, planes (simming primarily the A320 and general aviation interest), milsims, trains, AI, philosophy, social sciences, history, paleontology (especially the Cambrian and Devonian), music production (DAWs, plugins, synths, etc.), video making (esp. editing), programming, space (orbital mechanics/astrodynamics and astronomy), Unix/Linux/BSD, SelfHosted/homelab stuff, gaming (inc. the culture), macroeconomics, electronics (as in, breadboard prototyping, IoT with pi/arduino, embedded hacking and physics of electricity), flashlights, manga, TV shows (just finished Generation Kill), Star Trek, drugs (psychs mostly), retro computing (C64 and Amiga) and many more I can’t recall rn and I seek out and subscribe to communities on Lemmy for all of them, plus those with differing opinions politically e.g. neoliberal/neocon, socdem, tankies etc.
Is that really so odd? It’s pretty normal to me. I used Reddit in the same way.
I just don’t have insane hivemind opinions, but relatively reasonable ones and voicing any of that (Ukraine right to self-defense, gender dysphoria is a medical disorder treated by transition - not a choice, AI can be useful etc etc.) seems to be a big no-no on some parts of Lemmy.
Anyway this is all extremely off-topic at this point so I’ll probs delete this thread later but I’m genuinely curious why you’d think I’m a shitposter.
Is this a pasta
No??? This is my actual life wtf hahaha
I mean, feel free to turn it into a copypasta but I don’t get it???
You can see it in your modlog by filtering by community bans. Here’s a link to that: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&userId=7652836
That said a lot of these bans you received seem more than justified, only the Hexbear ones I would really chalk up to nutty mods, but if you disagree I’d suggest posting about it on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com as this isn’t the place to discuss mod abuse, that is.
I know, I was just inquiring as to the feature to see it, I did not know about modlog. Thanks!
Mine are mostly for being a trans person the wrong way. People do nooot like my brand / combo of gender apathy but also having been surgically confirmed with some androgynizing removals. I get called transphobic a LOT just by saying I don’t personally get dysphoria related to pronouns. I understand that others do. I understand that for many the whole passing one way or the other thing is a matter of safety. But I’m good being called whatever personally idc. Straight to jail. I’ve learned to just stay away from trans communities they’re pretty much all just assholes.
Can’t you go to the modlog and search your name filtered by mods actions?
Thanks! I wasn’t aware of the modlog feature
Afaik, no
I just block the community whenever I get banned. I’ve been banned from less than I thought
These clowns are literally funneling people to other communities due to “wrong” think. That’s fine blocking works both ways. I can take my business else where and that’s the beauty of fediverse.
I did not want to even block lemmy.ml but they forced my hand. I expected server ban from lemmy.world but i guess tankies are more of an egg shell than neo lib normie core. News and politics subs are a cesspool tho. lemmy.world front page is a good reminder how to lose an election and they learned nothing.
