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Isn’t this common knowledge for at least a 200 years, Edward Jenner, Louis Pasteur…vaccines and all? Microdosing to boost immunity…
Then centuries later idiots took it too far and started pox and measles party’s. My idiot parents did.
pox and measles parties*
I stand corrected. :)
Yes, common knowledge that is actually dangerous misinformation. Debunked: https://humanmicrobiome.info/faq/#is-dirt-good-for-your-microbiome
I don’t think it compares well to vaccines.
- Dirt has pathogens that are only harmful.
Stopped there. Because that’s how your immune system learns.
And the bit with heavy metals is bull. Just don’t let them eat a ton of dirt of vineyards (copper).
@MonkderVierte @MaximilianKohler You should’ve read the rest of the page then like the first one xdd
Dirt is contaminated by harmful heavy metals and other toxic pollutants
The known beneficial microbes are the host-native ones that are passed down generationally via vaginal birth and breastfeeding. Microbes that you pick up from the environment are not the same and are more likely to be harmful.
Antibiotics are one of the primary things you want to avoid if you’re worried about your microbiome@MonkderVierte @MaximilianKohler Eating dirt and practicing poor sanitation increases your odds of contracting an infection and needing antibiotics.
So much commitment for just a hypothesis
Don’t infections lead to producing antibodies?
They might also disfigure, disable, or discontinue you entirely. Like polio.
You’re confusing gut Microbiome with immune system? Sure, it plays an important role in immune reactions but it’s not the same.
Playing in is not dirt eating, it’s dirt tasting. That bit of heavy metals pales in comparison to even one year living.
@MonkderVierte Another red herring changing goalpost. Where do you think both reside?
Nothing red herring. You know how the immune system learns? By being confronted with bad actors. Too less bad actors, your body becomes the target.
About the gut microbiome: bad bacteria can only take over, if there’s a hole in an already established biome or if it’s generally weakened. But then that’s a huge issue, you’re usually in a sterile tent in a hospital, fed intravenously. A baby already has a healthy microbiome.
It’s not about the microbiome, it’s about the immune system. Think of them as separate entities, even though they are heavily intertwined.Where do you think both reside?
Gut bacteria: gut
Immune system: gut, veins, mostly bone marrow tho.
It’s dangerous misinformation, regardless of how you want to phrase it. You do not need to eat dirt or play in dirt.
You may be suffering from heavy metal poisoning.
Stopped there. Because that’s how your immune system learns.
“I chose to stay ignorant and re-state misinformation that you debunked”
And the bit with heavy metals is bull.
It cites the CDC, so you should contact the CDC and tell them to stop spreading “bull”.
This article is debunking the idea that there are probiotic benefits to eating dirt, which isn’t what we’re talking about at all. We don’t care about the beneficial bacteria, they don’t build your immune system, they’re irrelevant. It states right at the beginning that there are harmful pathogens in dirt, which is exactly the point. Those harmful pathogens are literally the only thing that can build the immune system.
Stop spreading misinformation. Pretty much everything you just said is wrong.
What you’re doing harms people. You should stop.
What?! Are you serious?
Pretty much everything I said was wrong? How do you figure that?
Here’s my primary claim: “This article is debunking the idea that there are probiotic benefits to eating dirt, which isn’t what we’re talking about at all”
My claim was that the page you linked is clearly talking about digestive health, not the immune system.
Let’s look at the first sentence in the header
Will eating dirt improve gut health?
I’d say that’s pretty clear. But wait, that’s not the whole header, what does the rest of it say?
According to the Hygiene Hypothesis, ingesting dirt will strengthen our immune system right?
So it’s worse than I thought, immediately, right off the bat, this page is already jumbling the concepts of digestive health and immune system. Just odd.
Look, I’m perfectly willing to concede that there are no real digestive benefits to eating dirt. But then I never made that claim. I have no idea what your motivation is, but you should stop spreading misinformation.
Here’s my primary claim: “This article is debunking the idea that there are probiotic benefits to eating dirt, which isn’t what we’re talking about at all”
Your claim starts with a misunderstanding. So you should start out by reading the citations more thoroughly.
My claim was that the page you linked is clearly talking about digestive health, not the immune system.
This is incorrect. And they are tightly interwoven.
So it’s worse than I thought, immediately, right off the bat, this page is already jumbling the concepts of digestive health and immune system. Just odd.
It’s not odd, it’s ignorance on your part, so read the citations more thoroughly so you get a better understanding.
That’s not a source, it’s your own site.
That’s not how sources work. You should read about how to vet sources for accuracy before making foolish statements like that.
I automatically downvote headlines like this.
Here’s how
TELL ME
Number three will shock you 😲
Fun fact: 90% of the cells in your body are bacteria.
Suicide is genocide then?
Hard to say. The bacteria live on after you’ve hit the pavement. What, are you obligated to stay alive to continue feeding them?
Anecdotes: my neighbors used to let their baby crawl around the gravel parking lot, neighborhood cats and dogs hanging out, and I was like “Those are good parents.”
Meanwhile a neat freak surgeon and nurse couple raised kids that are allergic to nearly everything in the world (ex used to babysit the allergic kids).
Something good about growing up with cats and dogs in the house and playing in the mud. (If you’re in an area without parasites in the ground)
I’m the type of person who touches everything, bites their nails, eats food from the floor and rarely washes their hands. I have zero food allergies and I’m almost never sick.
Maybe I’m just lucky or maybe these are related. Who knows.
EDIT: Don’t remember ever taking antibiotics either
I was growing up with my grandparents, who still had a few pigs, chickens and I always had cats. I was always outside and in the forest, but I’m still allergic to pollen of grass, flowers and trees, also surprisingly to cats and dogs - and, which is more shit - to bees, wasps etc…
Although from young on I just ignored the allergy regarding cats and dogs. Now I’m still having a cat (a rescue, who lives in my apartment) and besides some heavier reaction to scratches, I don’t have any problem with cuddles and sleeping in bed with him.
I think my overly concerned mother (young single mother) just went to the doctor with every little thing I had, and all the antibiotics I’ve got, have fucked up my immune system.
With the pollen thing I’ve got syringes as a child, so at least I got rid of the allergic asthma. And the older I get, the better it seems to get.
But with cats and dogs, I was just stubborn and it seems it worked out ;-)
Still, I was always outside playing in the dirt and still got a shitload of allergies…
there is also a causation question. I’m similar to you, I don’t get sick much so I don’t have much reason to be obsessive about cleanliness (of course I am hygienic and practice normal food safety). but my wife gets sick often and that causes her to be extra super careful about foods she eats, cleaning, hand sanitizing, etc.
Since we are talking anecdotes: i have a skin condition, should have lots of allergies and whatnot. I grew up on a farm with cat & dog & cows, i have one small one on the foot since i moved out.
For a moment I thought the “here’s how” meant “here’s how to play in mud and dirt”. Let’s do it like pros, folks!
eat the dirt eat the dirt eat the dirt
That’s dangerous misinformation. Debunked: https://humanmicrobiome.info/faq/#is-dirt-good-for-your-microbiome
Your debunked is debunked.
You got a lot of debunk in your trunk
eat it anyway
