My motivation here is only to probe on what other people really think of when using that word, so that I know what they really mean by it

That makes sense. In my mind the definition never really evolved as I tend to take words literally and think of it more as a category, like “red heads” rather than as an ideological group. I guess that would technically make them a subgroup of incels.

But the term itself implies the former

I’m sure that’s true in some cases, but I wouldn’t generalize it as the explanation for most incel’s situations that they simply had too unrealistic standards

Maybe they should be called far-incels

Your typical incel is that quiet guy in school with bad skin, plain clothes, and oily hair, whose only friends were the other outcasts. Like everyone else, they just wanted a normal relationship with a normal woman. It’s the repeated failure to form those relationships that leads to the resentment and anger we now see. They weren’t always like that. The bitterness and hatred is a coping mechanism for their situation, not the cause of it.

I think you’re being a bit unfair there. These attitudes often stem from their inability to form relationships. The struggle came first, and the resentment followed. They aren’t without sex and relationships because they’re inherently hateful people; rather, the hatred emerges from prolonged frustration and rejection.

In most cases, I believe the inability to get into relationships is less about character and more about factors like social awkwardness, lack of friends, poor hygiene, unfortunate genetics, spending too much time online or gaming, etc.

Were I complaining?

I don’t think that’s fair. It’s not just sex they are after; they want a relationship but are unable to get into one.

I asked chatGPT to extract the question from that as I struggled to pinpoint it myself. I’ll put it here as I’m probably not the only one wondering. So it seems like what OP is asking is (correct me if I’m wrong):

How do you adjust or change your beliefs (about capitalism, communism, libertarianism, or other ideologies) to deal with the fact that some people or countries naturally have more advantages than others?

Nothing wrong with asking as long as you’re also willing to accept no as an answer. If you’re going to attack them for refusing, then it wasn’t really a question in the first place but rather a demand masked as one.

Also, I’m not sure if this is the correct community to ask this.

Depends on which definition you go by, I guess. I prefer the literal meaning of the word; involuntary celibate. A person who is celibate against their own will.

Well not really. Those are different things. Black pill is about how you think, while incel is about what you are.

It’s what they wanted to do at that time then. Why else would they do it? I mean really, think about it. Why would you choose to do something like that other than it’s what you felt like doing at the time.

I have a bad habit of biting my nails. It would be correct to say that it’s something I do despite not wanting to but that wouldn’t exactly be true because when I catch myself about to do it and I resists, it’s hard because I really want to do it despite knowing I shouldn’t.

It’s more like the person I want to be being in conflict with the person I actually am.

How is Facebook supposed to ban Twitter?

I’m glad they do as that’s the only way I access those platforms. Same applies for twitter. Using an app means I can’t block ads.

I wore a beanie this morning as it was quite chilly outside.

Yesterday I wore a helmet while riding my bike. Not sure if that counts as a hat.

Perfect, just in time to stop Russia from meddling with the 2016 election!

Great, now Putin will have absolutely no way whatsoever to spread his propaganda on Facebook!

I really struggle to see the point of these comments. It’s a valid criticism to say it should’ve been done sooner or they should’ve done more, but doing something is better than doing nothing and also better late than never. So what are these commentors trying to achieve here other than applause and upvotes? This is one of the things my autistic brain has a hard time figuring out about social media. Is it just to say what’s popular so people come and pat you on the back?

People don’t do stuff they don’t want to to because they couldn’t think of anything better to do. If you decide to just stay in and lay in bed because you couldn’t think of anything better to do then laying in bed is what you preferred to do above everything else, otherwise you’d be doing something else.

The argument in the title is essentially an argument against free will. Involuntary actions are outside of your control and are thus for evidence of free will. Stubbing your toe is not something you chose to do. It’s a thing that happened to you.