So, I live in Vancouver, Canada, we have a pretty famous automated metro system called the Skytrain. I don’t drive and do not own a car, so I use public transit for absolutely everything. And after the automated train I’m on unexpectedly stopped at a station for an extra five minutes longer, causing me to miss my connecting bus by two minutes, and in turn missing my second connection, I’m standing in a deserted transit exchange in the dead of night while needing to pee really bad (there are no public bathrooms anywhere in the Vancouver transit network) as I type this for all of you, expecting to be home by at the earliest 1:30 AM instead of right now, at 12:30 AM. Because of a five minute delay. Yeah.

Ignoring the question of how the hell does a completely automated train system get delayed at night, when every train is less than a quarter full and barely anyone gets on or off, I’m left pondering what makes a good public transit system that is capable of supporting the daily schedules of everyone in the city, and actually stands to entice people to forgo cars for transit. And in my opinion, contrary to popular belief and transit company marketing, the most important part is punctuality, not raw speed, or even service frequency.

The thing about public transit is that only a minority of trips require no transfers. For all the other times, you’ll need to make at least one connection, with the average being potentially two or three depending on the exact system. And this is when the lack of punctuality can really screw you over, with severity increasing exponentially the more connections you have. If your transit system is a little slow, that’s okay because people can easily plan for it. If your transit system isn’t as frequent as you’d like, you can plan for that too, and an expected wait is always better than an unexpected wait. The key is planning. Planning is easy nowadays, with tons of apps that do an excellent job of laying out the best route for you, complete with telling you the expected time you should leave, when you’ll arrive, and how long a wait at each connection. Even with a not so fast and not so frequent transit syatem, just tell the app when you need to be at your destination, and it will still be serviceable. There are even excellent open source apps for this if you hate Google and co, like I do.

But, if there’s a delay, even by a few minutes on an hour long trip, it can and will throw a monkey wrench into this whole thing. If you miss one connection, you will miss every other one afteraward, and could end up very late even in a fast and frequent transit system. That’s when you potentially start losing opportunities, like missing a big job interview, date, etc, and you can bet that the one time you’re catastrophically late is the one time you absolutely can’t be, and the one time everything runs smoothly is the time you don’t give a crap when you arrive. This is far more harmful to the passengers, and the reputation of public transit as a viable means of getting around the city, than if the system is a little slow or not that frequent, because, again, the difference is whether you can easily plan ahead to compenaate for it.

Take Japan for example, where even though both their intra- and intercity transit are both crazy fast and crazy frequent, the thing that locals there are by far the most proud of in their transit network is its punctuality, and in the rare cases where there is a delay, people have been documented getting extremely angry with the transit staff as if they personally injured them.

Anyway, these are just my pissed off, sleep deprived, full bladder thoughts while waiting to go home. What do you think? Do you agree or disagree, and why or why not?

  • @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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    Hope you slept well since you’ll be reading this in the morning at best. (Edit: Guess it is morning in Canada already)

    I used to live in Canada and yup that’s a classic (not the automatic metro stopping, but missing a transfer costing you an hour). I do however disagree with your conclusion.

    For the same reason an accident, police, or any other unexpected event can cost you time when you go by car, stuff happens when you go by public transit as well. That said, with proper availability, it doesn’t matter.

    I live in a city now where I don’t even check bus schedules, they come so often it doesn’t matter. Two weekends ago I missed two transfers in one day (out of my own stupidity, I wasn’t paying attention the first time and I fell asleep the second), but it cost me no more than 15 minutes because the transportation comes that often.

    Punctuality is great, but frequency trumps all.

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    To answer your question, punctuality is very important, but frequency is also very important. It sounds like having the connecting bus and/or the second connection running at twice the rate would get you home at 1:00 instead of 1:30, which is still not great but a significant improvement if the unexpected stop was unavoidable.

    Plus, extra frequency makes the service more useful to more people, who don’t want to have to arrive half an hour too early or any time too late, they would probably just use a car instead. Some years ago nearby route started running a 10-minute interval shuttle bus down a major road to a major train station, the exact route lots of people drive cars, and my parents (car owners who did daily commutes to the train station) even started using it. Then they cancelled the trial (very unfortunate timing led to decreased usage) and people went back to cars. A direct route and high frequency made it a useful option, and if for some reason one didn’t show up, you couldn’t lose more than 10 minutes. I had the luxury of being able to just walk to the bus-stop without looking at the time, wait up to ten minutes, and be on a bus. Compare that with the previous experience of having to wait half an hour if you show up too late after forgetting something and running home.

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      Nope, completely unmanned. There’s an intercom straight to the control centre for emergencies, as well as silent distress buttons.

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    I recall having a bus in the morning, mostly the time kids are on the way to school.

    It came on time once and almost everyone missed it.

    No-one actually realized it was an 8:10 bus and not an 8:16 bus, you just show up at 8:12 and wait a few minutes every morning. Turns out the new substitute driver actually ran to schedule.

  • @leanleft@lemmy.ml
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    I sit on a distant park bench until 4 minutes before bus is scheduled to arrive. Its very nice and peaceful.
    Until nimbys chase you away with their pitchforks.