The optometrist recommended seamless bifocals. I have a very painful nerve condition in my face (atypical trigeminal neuralgia), so this is what I need with glasses: the lightest weight frames possible- known as ultra light- with the lightest weight lenses possible and automatically darkening lenses so I don’t need the weight of sunglasses. The cheapest frames brought the total to $250 on the site the insurance worked with.
The frames are $20 on the cheap site. Everything else in the cost is the lenses.
As for why I have to buy them online- I don’t want anyone touching my face unless it’s absolutely necessary. The exam was painful enough.
American for-profit healthcare is fucking awesome.
I got mine for $30, they can make them mute expensive, but for just glasses, it’s perfect.
I got mine with their HD lenses, no-line bifocals with antiglare coating, and the total came to $135 shipped.
While my initial reaction to this was “wholly fuck that’s expensive” I realize that all those modifiers would make it close to a grand at a glasses shop.
I have had less than stellar results with Zenni, ymmv
I bought one pair from them and they were pretty crummy. Also getting the pupillary distance is tricky.
Measuring your own PD is ehhh. You can have the optometrist give you PD at your exam.
Good luck. Then the front of the store won’t get any business.
When I’ve gone to America’s Best for an eye exam, yeah, they were none too happy when I wouldn’t also buy glasses from them, but I got my prescriptions to go. Fuck em. Didn’t have a single problem with the optometrist office in the Target. I’m also pretty sure that the optometry part and the retail frames and lenses part of these stores are at least somewhat separate from each other, business-wise.
The down side of the online “cheap glasses” places is that when your frames show up all bent and twisted, you have to adjust them yourself, and if there’s a problem with the lenses, that’s a whole thing. Buying from a storefront, they’ll handle all that for you. I’m capable of running my plastic frames under hot water to straighten them out and adjust them to my crooked head.
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I second this, but OP says they have special lens needs. That’s what stacks the price.
I used them and they were great good-enough glasses.
When I got LASIK I wasn’t allowed to wear contacts for a few weeks before the surgery. I bought the cheapest pair of glasses from Zenni. I had new glasses for $17 + $10 shipping.
If I had to do it again I would have my IPD measured by a proper optometrist first. I just guessed at it and got ones a little too small, so they had a kind of fisheye effect.
Still, for <$30 it was a great bargain
So far my $30 glasses is going strong for 5 years now.
Have you tried Zenni?
I’ve had good luck with them over 3 pairs. I get the exam at Costco and then buy from Zenni. The most expensive pair so far has been $108 for progressives with anti-glare etc although that was during a sale. They are better quality and have lasted longer than almost anything I’ve got from the traditional optometrists places, even when I’ve gone higher end. Even better, you can select the distance for computer, mid or distance - I wear one of 4 pairs depending on what I’m doing - AND they don’t check your prescription so you can use an old one if you know that works for you.
Ain’t never going back.
I have not. I’ll chedk them out. Thanks.
No problem. I’ve been using their glasses for years now and haven’t had any problems with them. I only really replace them when I get a new script with changes in my vision.
I always go for sprung hinges with Zenni. I’ve never need to tighten the screws with those.
Used them for years with no issue and get lots of pairs for distance, reading, daytime driving (polarized sunglasses bifocals so no glare and I can see the instruments), etc.
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I’m an ABOA advanced optician, I’ve helped with lens designs, I’ve made my own line of frames, worked with every insurance company, and know the technical details of virtually every product on the market.
If it’s going to cost the same either way, do not get the online glasses. The 250 in store is discounted from probably 1200$, and the difference is immediately noticable.
The online glasses will not be measured to fit you properly, the focal point will be a best guess, which makes progressives have a ton of distortion, the frame won’t be adjusted and have no standards of material and shitty spring hinges, the transitions will be an old off brand composited lens that will delaminate after some time, the antireflective will be the cheapest, smudging crap possible, and the lenses will be thicker and heavier.
Go to a local optical, not any chain you’ve ever heard of. No corporate execs to pay means actual paid professionals helping you see better, as opposed to collision salesman trying to rip you off.
Online glasses are for single vision rx’s for children, not anybody who really needs glasses.
Man, I wish this was always true.
Here in BC/Canada, our healthcare doesn’t cover glasses, and our 3rd party providers only cover $2-300 every 2 years for glasses.
My last job had a $500 yearly flex-spend coverage, which I used to buy $600 glasses (mainly lenses cost-wise) with all the options/coatings/transitions/blue light filter/etc from the local eye clinic, and honestly the lenses are not great, and after less than 3 years the coating is bubbling in horizontal lines across the entire lens.
Honestly though, been regretting getting glasses with the blue light filter for the past 2 years anyways, nothing feels vibrant anymore and i swear it has been negatively affecting my mood, and i have noticed zero difference in eye strain levels.
Blue light filters have a purpose, but it isn’t eye strain. That’s just marketing bullshit from people who don’t know it’s purpose or can’t be bothered to translate it to laymen.
It’s purpose is to protect your retina from damage that accumulates throughout your life. It’s to protect you from developing macular degeneration. It does nothing anyone will notice, it’s more like sunblock, except you can’t feel the burn.
Also if someone sells you shit products, go to someone better if possible. But avoid chains at all costs.
So life loses vibrancy, but my retinas stay in slightly better shape when I’m 80? Sounds like future me problem then, definitely have no interest in trying again with a different pair after my next eye exam.
Unfortunately every eye doctor in this province (or at least not a 13 hour drive away) is associated with a chain, with I think a single exception that is referral only. So the best I can do is get an eye exam, demand my detailed results, and do my best to order glasses that fit comfortably.
Wait, the blue tint actually does something? Everyone kept telling me to get it because sCrEeNs BaD but I wanted the clearest vision possible. Couldn’t find anything online saying the blue tint wasn’t useless so saved myself the $30.
Just wear sunglasses when outside and you’re good. Or get transitions and never think about it again.
the frame won’t be adjusted and have no standards of material and shitty spring hinges
They’re the same frames sold in physical stores, though
the transitions will be an old off brand composited lens that will delaminate after some time the antireflective will be the cheapest, smudging crap possible, and the lenses will be thicker and heavier.
My old glasses that I don’t even wear anymore are 7 years old and never had issues and still aren’t delaminated at all, never had issues with smudging or glare
Go to a local optical, not any chain you’ve ever heard of. No corporate execs to pay means actual paid professionals helping you see better, as opposed to collision salesman trying to rip you off.
And yet you still spend way more than you would at somewhere like Zenni. So you’re getting ripped off for someone lower down the ladders benefit… Yay?
Online glasses are for single vision rx’s for children, not anybody who really needs glasses.
Complete bullshit. Not surprised that someone “with their own line of frames” would encourage people to go the pricier route, though.
I don’t feel like quoting or typing out responses, so I’ll just hit your points.
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No they’re fucking not. Not even close. There’s 200+ different manufacturers, and even individual lines from the same companies have wildly different qualities. I would know, since I work with them every day, go to several trade shows every year and didn’t get my info from Google.
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Survivorship bias, and you just noted you don’t wear them.
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This point is attempting to imply there is no difference in products, which there absolutely is.
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My line of frames is not a “big name”, and was only sold in 54 offices in 4 countries when I had them manufactured in 2021. There is no benefit to me for anyone to go to any store other than the two I own, you’ll never bump into my line, which I don’t make money from anyway.
I’m glad you watched a video once, but this is my profession and I know better than you.
No they’re fucking not
Nice source. Yes, they are.
Survivorship bias, and you just noted you don’t wear them
Holy shit dude, anymore. They survived 6 years of wearing. I’ve been using glasses off the internet for over 10 years as have 3 other people I know, it’s not survivorship bias if over 10 pairs of glasses haven’t had any of these issues you mention.
This point is attempting to imply there is no difference in products, which there absolutely is.
You’re right, the brand name glasses I used to wear have never lasted as long as my Zennis
I’m glad you watched a video once
Or I’ve ordered them and wear them regularly. Nice assumption though.
but this is my profession
So you’re incentivized to keep the bullshit going? Well, I should definitely trust you!
and I know better than you.
Clearly not, as you said a bunch of shit would happen with these glasses that, again, I’ve never seen despite my and my wife both having our entire family order glasses online for the last 8-12 years (mine 12, hers 8ish). Oh, and friends as well for about the same amount of time.
If you can’t tell the difference in quality between zenni and OvvO, lool, or paradigm frames, you’re willfully ignorant. I wouldn’t expect someone who only gets glasses online to know this since you have no experience. I however do.
As for issues with lenses, I see 25 patients a day, and have for the last 12 years. I’ve seen a few more cases than you and your wife, or even you and your friends.
Your opinions are not equal to my education and experience. I am literally an authority in this industry.
I’ve designed frames and vetted manufacturing plants to find one that fit my standards for materials. I make lenses everyday. I troubleshoot and fix or replace eyewear everyday. I know what happens when a focal point is off center by 3 mm. I can tell when someone is wearing online glasses just by how the temples fit.
There are a few very large companies that benefit greatly from pushing the idea that they’re all the same, and you’re shilling for them whether you know it or not.
wouldn’t expect someone who only gets glasses online
What part about “none of my online glasses have been any worse than the designer frames I got before” did you not read?
Your opinions are not equal to my education and experience. I am literally an authority in this industry.
Keep telling yourself that. So far you’ve only been a high on your own farts cunt spouting total bullshit. Frankly with how little of anything you’ve given but “but but but but I’m such a PROFESSIONAL” ive begun to think you’re a LARPing 13 year old
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I’m honestly not sure which frustrates me more. That teeth and eyes are not considered important enough aspects of health to be covered under normal health insurance. Or the shit insurance that’s available even when you pay for additional policies to cover them.
The lack of coverage of teeth and eyes in standard health insurance is because of dentists and optometrists opting out when insurance was becoming a thing.
IIRC it’s because there isn’t really much of a point to add those to insurance. With health insurance some people will need very expensive treatments but lots of people don’t. It works because you spread the risk over many people. The people who don’t need expensive treatments pay more than they would without insurance, the ones that do need those treatments pay a lot less. Since you don’t know which one of those you will be insurance is a good idea.
With dental and glasses this is not the case. There isn’t too much variation in how much a person will need to spend on those during their lifetime.
If you get additional insurance for either you’ll see that the maximum payouts are pretty much the same as what you pay extra during the same period. You might as well just put the money in a savings account.
There isn’t too much variation in how much a person will need to spend on those during their lifetime.
Presbyopia literally means “old eyes” and the risks of periodontal disease increases roughly linearly with age and closer to exponentially if your a long term nicotine user; to name but one example for each.
They eyes are also often the first place to (outside of specific blood tests that are not routinely run) see signs of diabetes, thyroid disease, and certain types of brain tumors. The mouth is the leading cause of sepsis. So both are important for people of all ages from a preventative medicine standpoint.
Seamless bifocals=Progressives. I got mine at Zenni Optical for like $145 all in.
Yeah, sorry, that’s what I meant. They used to be called ‘seamless bifocals’ back in the 90s and I still think of them that way.
Okay, I’m going to go against the grain here and say “Don’t go with the really cheap online glasses”.
I used eyebuydirect, Zenni, and a couple of others for many years, and was pretty happy with them, especially for the price. However, one thing I’d always noticed is that they’d wind up being pretty beat up with some large scratches in the coatings, or they’d just fail and start flaking off by around the 1 year mark (I’m pretty hard on my glasses, tbf) and I absolutely had to get new ones. I just kind of accepted that I was very hard on my glasses, and that’s what happens.
However, I started going to Costco just because my insurance wouldn’t cover any of the online places, and the quality of the lenses and coatings are absolutely night and day. I’ve had 10 pairs now (sunglasses and normal lenses), and only had one with a single scratch in the lenses, after having them go flying across a cement floor due to me doing something quite stupid.
I don’t think you need a membership for their optical center either, but I’m not 100% sure.
I’ve had the exact opposite experience. Last time trying glasses at a local place, they hurt my eyes and couldn’t figure out how to adjust them properly. Every pair I’ve purchased on Zenni has lasted multiple years of me sleeping in them or doing contact sports in them. I still have multiple pairs kicking around my house or car as spares.
…you sleep with them on? How?
I do this quite a bit too. I can fall asleep insanely quickly, so sometimes I’m just chilling on the couch watching something, and then I’m out. Then when I wake up I have to go digging through my couch to figure out where the heck my glasses went
See that’s the weird part. They stay on my face. I’ve always been a restless sleeper, and I think I just hated waking up blind and disoriented, so I learned to keep them on when asleep.
I’ve been making an active effort to not do so the last… Couple of years I guess. It’s a bit more comfortable when I remove them, but I’d say maybe half the time I still just forgot to take them off.
I don’t know, I have since I was a kid. My eyes are REALLY BAD so I think I just hated waking up blind and disoriented, so I just learned to sleep in them.
Yay the conglomerate that owns glasses production and distribution.
It’s not just the US, Essilor is a virtual monopoly.
That said, my glasses are 50% less online than at a local shop.
Also, thank insurance companies for inflating prices
Essilor monopolizes lenses, Safilo monopolizes frames – neither offer direct sale
Why is it always luxottica
If you have Costco membership, their optical department is pretty affordable. Frames are $50-80. Lenses another $80 or so, but depends on complexity and of you get transitions and whatnot.
It’s the same for Sam’s Club. My eye doctor said glasses would be $800 AFTER insurance. I went to Sam’s Club and got two pairs for $200.
And if you don’t have a membership, one costs $60. So frames lenses and membership could end up less than $250.
from the op description they are in fact a very complicated seamless bifocal. likely some of the most expensive lenses to make. idk, to a certain extent op is looking for a modern luxury item and mad that it’s expensive. like they don’t NEED seamless bifocals, it’s just Better for their condition. they could spend less on thicker cheaper bifocals, they just wouldn’t be as nice.
like it sucks that most glasses are uncomfortable for them, but sadly this has simply resulted in them needing expensive glasses if they get this spec. it’s kind of like someone saying they need a car that’s fast, fuel efficient, rides great, looks cool, is safe, and has lots of storage but are confused why they can’t find a good deal on that.
also, costco takes the shitty eye insurance so you may not be paying much on top of not paying much already. felt good that year.
eyebuydirect. You’ll need to measure your pupillary distance if your prescription from the doctor doesn’t list it.
Canada doesn’t win here. Our opto care is embarrassing, it’s mercenary, it’s predatory.
I have decent insurance, so my c$1300 single pair was only $400. (Edit: Zenni for complex myopic astigmatic presbyopic thin lenses is about c$500)
Woo.
I feel ya.
We’re fixing dental care, slowly, but opto’s gonna be forever.
None of the online places even accepted my prescription last time I looked. Mine are about $800 for the lenses during a sale. They generally give me the frames for free when they see the cost of the lenses.
Insurance covers $200 every 2 years.
$250 for glasses like that is very cheap. I also have bifocals, not the thinnest lenses either, IIRC they were one step up from the standard ones. A light frame but nothing special, the frame was like €100, the entire set of glasses was around €650. The lenses only have a cylinder in them; no prisms or anything like that. If you need more complicated or stronger/thin lenses they can easily go over €1000.
Even if you have the optional insurance for it, that doesn’t really help you. The amount they cover is basically the same amount you pay for the additional coverage. You’re better off putting the money in a savings account earmarked for your next set of glasses.
Also, if you need anything but the most basic single focus lenses without any cylinders or prisms, get them at a real optician. The online store can’t properly measure where to place the lenses in the frame (they need to be properly centered in front of your pupils).
I understand your frustration. This sucks major league. I know a fairly cheep German glasses company who ship worldwide (production for most glasses worldwide is Thailand, that’s where the company gets their products as well). They’ve got a very generous refund policy as well. If you want to, I can pm you their website.
Can you please post that here publicly so everyone can benefit?
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Please do, thank you.
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Got it. Thanks!
The international (english) site is: Glasses24.com
Unless they hiked up their prices or went out of business in the past 2 years, the link should be grand.
If you need help regarding navigation around the website or how to put in the data for the glasses, please let me know.
Can you pm me the link as well?
Comedian Kyle Ayers has Trigeminal Neuralgia as well. He’s about to do the Edinburgh Fringe Festival with his show (Hard to say) all about how he’s been dealing with it. I know that doesn’t help you with your glasses, but maybe his comedy can help alleviate some of the pain and worry.
Good luck.
That’s awesome! I’ll check him out! Thanks!
Just to give you a little something:
My glasses cost around 500€ to 700€ per glass (so around 1200€ plus frame) and I have to pay them myself.
eyebuydirect. I got my first pair from them for $11, shipped, just to test if they could get my weird prescription right. if you want all the bells and whistles, you can get one up to about 150, but I basically got a dozen pairs for what Target wanted for a single pair.
