Lemmy.World banned me for this.

      • deegeese
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        22
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        2 months ago

        So you have no actual answer?

        You twisted the question from “show a working class person who supports AIPAC” to just politicians who support AIPAC.

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          21
          ·
          2 months ago

          Oh right liberals cope with reality by pretending their politicians aren’t AIPAC agents when presented with clear evidence.

  • Wilzax@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    2 months ago

    Bottom is bad. Top is worse. We deserve better than all pictured. If you disagree, I do not respect you.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      22
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      Aside from Mao the bottom ones are far head in kills and amount of people oppressed of the top ones.

      Unless you believe that Americans are the only victims the bottom ones

      • BearGun@ttrpg.network
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        So you’re saying that Obama and Biden each caused more deaths than Stalin? You have gone off the deep end friend, they may be bad but they ain’t that bad.

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          9
          ·
          edit-2
          1 month ago

          Obama absolutely. Destabilizing the entire globe , murdering millions and ovethrowing their countries governments to install puppets is an art to behold. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Africa, South America and much more. Stalin only did war crimes in Russia, he didn’t have nearly the same population number to oppress.

          Like I said before, being so brainwashed that you don’t know about their war crimes doesn’t make them disappear.

          • yuri@pawb.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 month ago

            Oh yeah, fuck, I forgot about that time Obama destabilized the entire globe. That was a crazy summer!

            • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              5
              ·
              edit-2
              1 month ago

              I did not realize I was the only person allowed to google stuff. Are you guys all under CIA surveillance or something?

              https://www.quora.com/How-many-new-wars-did-Barack-Obama-start-in-the-Middle-East

              Nobel Peace Prize Winner, Barak Obama’s diplomacy record was no better than Bush’s failed diplomacy. Obama inherited the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, and although he publicly spoke out against the Iraq invasion in October 2002, Obama kept the American military engaged in both countries – there were drawdowns without closure. Obama also inserted the US military, typically often special operations forces, into conflicts throughout the globe including: the al-Qaeda insurgency in Yemen (2010); military strikes on suspected al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab, and ISIS positions in Yemen (2011); military intervention in Libya: Operation Odyssey Dawn (2011); strikes on al-Shabaab militants begin in Somalia (2011); Uganda: support Uganda against the Lord’s Resistance Army (2011); troops deployed to Jordan to help it contain the Syrian Civil War (2012); soldiers and Patriot missiles sent to Turkey (2012); assisted the French in Mali (2013); USAF supported the French in Somalia (2013); special operations raids in Somalia and Libya (2013); increased military members sent to Uganda (2014); intervention in Iraq to support Iraqi and Kurdish fighters (2014); airstrikes against Islamic State of Iraq & Syria (ISIS), a.k.a. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), aligned forces throughout northern Iraq (2014); failed rescue mission in Syria (2014); increased intervention in Syria, and bombing of ISIS positions in Syria (2014); airstrikes on al-Qaeda, al-Nusra Front & Khorasan positions (2014); continuous attacks on ISIS/ISIL & al-Nusra Front positions in both Iraq and Syria (2014); raids in Yemen against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) (2014); USN ships were sent to the Strait of Hormuz in response to Iran; U.S. military troops sent to Cameroon to provide support to local forces (2015) (CRS, 2020). The most-reported engagements included US attacks against ISIS/ISIL, and to a lesser extent Obama’s military support of the Nigerian army against Boko Haram, support of Uganda against the Lord’s Resistance Army, as well as combat soldiers supporting the Philippines against Abu Sayyaf, an Islamic State affiliate, and other Qaeda-linked militants (CRS, 2022; Wikipedia, 2022).

              • yuri@pawb.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                1 month ago

                You said “the entire globe”, not “the middle east”

                Thanks for linking me a Quora answer though, that’s where I get all my news!

              • Rinox@feddit.it
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 month ago

                Quora ahahahah

                Also a whole block of text all to say he fought against ISIS and al-Qaeda. I wonder who else fought against them… Oh yeah, Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Syria and pretty much every other country they came in contact with.

                Now that they are mostly gone, the Levant is more stable. I wonder if he helped stabilize or destabilize the region…

                • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  I wonder why ISIS exists. Oh yeah because America overthrew the government that was in place and left a massive power vacuum so they could get cheap oil.

            • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              1 month ago

              Stalin gets credited for like 1.5mil not 8 mil.

              War crimes and civilian casualties by the Red Army during the march on Berlin also not counted.

              Hahaha what the hell is this line are you defending the Nazis now?

              • Rinox@feddit.it
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                1 month ago

                I’m talking about the murders and mass rapes that happened in Nazi occupied countries after the arrival of the Red army. Go ask the Baltic states, the Polish, the Hungarians, the Romanians etc.

                Also that number is just the “confirmed and directly attributable” deaths caused by Stalin in just the Soviet union. The real.number of death caused directly or indirectly by him is sooo much higher

                • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  Yes and you have clearly done exactly zero research into the crimes of American presidents because the number of people they have directly and indirectly killed is far far higher.

  • deegeese
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    15
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    2 months ago

    You were banned for making straw man arguments?

    Who the hell praises GWB?

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      22
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      Lemmy.world users defend the Iraq invasion.

      Try asking them what they think of Edward Snowden sometime.

      • deegeese
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        2 months ago

        Bullshit. Who? I want to see the links.

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          14
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          PugJesus and many more.

          Go search my comment history for Snowden on you’ll find plenty of superlibs who will justify anything if anyone from the opposing party had any connection with Russia.

  • pokexpert30@lemmy.pussthecat.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    11
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    2 months ago

    Différence is : you can post this meme in the west and you won’t get charged or anything. At most you got banned from a website because either you’re a troll or massively not doing anyone favour.

    Share this picture on qq. I dare you.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      20
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      That’s weird I recall .world users whining a lot about getting banned from .ml

      You mean that censoring western war crimes is fine because they’re white?

      • pokexpert30@lemmy.pussthecat.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        Mate, gotta say, if you’re a troll, you’re a bloody good one. Si i’m gonna assume you are genuine.

        ? .ml is very tankie, just less than lemmygrad. When you say anything about China that’s not praise (Including facts, like Evergrande bankruptcy meaning China is definitely not in a good economic shape), you’re worthy of a ban. Experiences may vary doe.

        You’re putting on the same level Barack Obama and Joe Biden to Kim Jong Un and Mao. While all of the people you display in your meme are war criminals, there just are not comparable in the scale and the means every one of them achieved those warcrimes. Also again, there’s that difference that saying that Biden is a war criminal may get you banned from a website at worst. Saying Mao is a war criminal in China will get you imprisoned. Try also saying war is bad in Russia. I’m gonna quote somebody else “In the USA, when a protest is repressed in the blood, everyone in the country (and in the world lmao) will riot about it. In Russia/China, it will just be a Monday”. They are not comparable in the tyranny they enforce on their people.

        I really wish you’re genuine tho.

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          13
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          So you clearly have no idea about all the war crimes America commits. Nor anything else about America on the world stage.

          Lemmy.world banned me for this post above pointing out American war crimes. Free speech you say lmao.

          Tell me why did Assagne go to jail for exposing American crimes? You’re saying that’s legal right?

          Also do explain the amount of free speech in this video https://streamable.com/fduh1x

          • pokexpert30@lemmy.pussthecat.org
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            9
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            You’re comparing things that are orders of magnitude inequal.

            Freedom of speech is in the government level, not on the individual (you can only get attacked on your speechs by individuals, as freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences)

            Assange was freed after all. Navalny died in prison.

            That video you shared is not illegal to share in any country.

            I checked your comments and I see a lot of hate in “The west”. Thing is, you’re not helping your case being so aggressive. You’re comparing incomparable things and attacking everyone who disagrees with you. Not everyone is a psyop mate. Paraphrasing Churchill (which, in my opinion is a far bigger war criminal than any of your Western examples) : “The West is the worst side, excepting everyone else”

            If you really believe if what you’re saying, you should reflect a bit more on your fight. All you’re doing right now is polarizing people and basically negatively impacting the causes you’re fighting for.

            • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              7
              ·
              edit-2
              2 months ago

              Lib defends Genocide and pretends to have moral high ground because he moves the goalpost somewhere.

              Do tell why Assagne was proscecuted, you fail to answer every question.

              If Chinese people can’t say something about Xinyang, surely Americans can expose their governments war crimes right?

  • yuri@pawb.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 month ago

    Yo, op is super eager to argue. Just in case any of y’all wanna practice talking to an angry brick wall, have at it!