The community getting the worse trolling and attacks would exacerbate their moderators which in turn could result in severe, expeditive moderation.
Do you feel this might be happening ?

  • MagicShel@programming.dev
    91·
    4 months ago

    I’ve had my differences with the groupthink and gotten massively downvoted, but never banned. Could be something more to it.

    Misgendering and deadnaming people is considered just as offensive as any slur in queer-friendly spaces, and it’s hard to separate accidents from transphobia online. That’s my guess if you got banned over a trans-post.

    Tried to make this as neutral as possible over whether you deserved it or not. I don’t know, but I do think it’s healthy for everyone to have queer-friendly places where us straights have to watch our step. Maybe learn a little empathy about what it’s like to not have everything cater to our comfort. Let queer folks have a place where respecting them is the norm and they can feel safe like we do in other places.

    • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
      233·
      4 months ago

      Mod logs are public on lemmy:

      Removed Comment

      It’s not if I see trans women as women or not. It’s if anyone has that doubt in their mind, and others clearly do; and these things have to be set for the sake of the most people - and sorry, but there are still more people who feel unsafe with you in womens spaces than there are people like you who would otherwise be wronged by the decision. So it’s a matter of a minority, not making decisions for the majority. You’re a minority, you’ll always be a minority (among humanity as a whole) so there are certain things that just simply won’t change for your sake as one of those edge cases; which is what you are - an edge case. A blip in the signal that we don’t need to upend so we can protect a smaller group of people than those we’re trying to protect to begin with. If you viewed yourself as a woman, you’d understand the need for women to have those spaces and anything with a penis to be rejected from them. by @kitnaht reason: Transphobia

      Pretty much telling trans people to “shut up and deal” with discrimination because they are a minority and a nebulous “most people” want that discrimination to continue.

      Has some dehumanizing phrases as well i.e “and anything with a penis,” etc.

      Sounds like a reasonable ban to me.

      • MagicShel@programming.dev
        5·
        4 months ago

        Thank you. I think the client I use (Voyager) doesn’t have a UI for looking at those. I’ll have to look around at other options.

        • MentalEdge
          2·
          4 months ago

          Thunder has had modlogs for a while. Not searchable yet tho.

          You can always pop into the webUI and open up the modlog page for a community from there, and apply any sorting you need to find something specific.

      • I'm back on my BS 🤪@lemmy.autism.placeEnglish
        5·
        4 months ago

        You’re a minority, you’ll always be a minority (among humanity as a whole) so there are certain things that just simply won’t change for your sake as one of those edge cases

        Just replace minority with any slur in the quote above, and it becomes evident.

    • abbadon420@lemm.ee
      44·
      4 months ago

      It’s fine to have queer friendly places. However, I’vè learned to avoid those places as much as possible. Because it seems that no matter what, they will get offended. I don’t want to offend anyone. So in the end, they’re offended and I m sad about it and everybody is worse of.

      So I just try to avoid those places. I highly doubt that that is a good solution. Especially if more people take that aproach. Eventually you’ll just create a big divide between “us” and “them”. Nobody wants that.

      But that’s how it is.

      • MagicShel@programming.dev
        51·
        4 months ago

        Queer people have to deal with us all the time, often masking or holding in their emotions because it simply isn’t safe to let them out. Put them in a safe place and some of them finally feel safe to unload all of those feelings - or just stop staying silent when they need to speak out. Give them some grace because people like us often treat them like shit and they are rightfully wary and quick to demand that their social rules are just as valid as ours. You know how we talk about institutional racism? There’s an institutional straightism that we are completely blind to unless it is pointed out to us. Gendered bathrooms are just there tip of the iceberg.

        Also there is a difference between queer-friendly spaces and queer spaces. We may at times be tolerated in queer spaces, but they aren’t for us and will not cater to us. Our presence may even be unwelcome because just having a bunch of straight people in a space threatens to make it straight-centric.

        I once went to a queer bdsm con with a heavy skew towards trans. Straight people might’ve been around 30-50% of the attendees, but respecting pronouns was strictly enforced and the urinals in the bathrooms were closed just to make it more queer friendly. It was a queer space and we were welcome to leave if we didn’t like it and it was uncomfortable and educational.

        I misgendered people constantly. Sometimes twice in a single breath. And I was corrected directly and fucking constantly. It was so aggravating because I was trying my absolute hardest to overcome what at the time was probably 40 years of straight culture. They didn’t let me slide, but they accepted my apologies and continued to correct me. And let me tell you, they were all some of the coolest people I’d ever known. All they wanted to do was exist as themselves and be accepted for that and that was all they asked of me in order to accept me and be understanding of my mistakes. Believe me they were not looking to be offended - that shit happens to them every god damned day, they don’t need to go looking for it.

        I do my best to be accepting and respectful and listen more than I talk, and I’ve never had anyone take exception to me even when I’ve made mistakes.

        Anyway, anyone queer is free to chime in because your voices are far more important to hear on this topic than mine.