• Kruemel@feddit.de
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    Why does daniel need their parking spot outside 9 to 5? It is outside business hours.

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    Encourage people like this to take up mountain biking or skateboarding or something - find out how much of a pain in the ass it is trying to get around on crutches for 8 weeks or so, then use the tiniest scrap of empathy to imagine what it would be like to have that be your permanent experience

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      To be fair, at least here in Germany, the amount of parking spots for disabled people and the amount of actually disabled people parking don’t really seem to match. There’s often enough a whole bunch of parking spots empty and like one guy on crutches.

      I do get, that planners and regulators need to plan for the “worst case”, and that’s perfectly fine, but the current situation is certainly a bit wasteful.

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        Might seem a bit controversial but, I think disabled spots should be the more obvious spots, places in front of shops and on the street.

        If you aren’t disabled, you should be parked further away, in something like a multistorey carpark.

        In an ideal world, there would just be less cars.

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          I always park fairly far away from the building. I’m sure there are people who need to park closer, and I get a little bit more walkies in. Win-win!

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          In an ideal world they’re would only be disabled spots and all other would use public transport

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                You think it’s stupid that disabled people have spaces reserved for them because, what, you think you deserve them more? There weren’t enough spaces and you would rather a disabled person suffer the consequences than you? You call it a hive mind when everyone disagrees with you. Had you considered that it might be because lots of folk independently decided that you’re in the wrong, and that occasionally if everyone disagrees with you you should perhaps admit that there’s a possibility that in fact you are in the wrong and everyone else is right. I promise you that there’s no secret disagree with AggressivelypPassive discord.

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          I’m not talking about people taking disabled spots, I’m talking about these spots being empty, because there are not that many people who could use these spots.

          My comment was very clear, but you chose to read what you wanted, because that’s more convenient.

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            To clarify, you used the phrase “amount of actually disabled people parking”. The placement of actually before disabled ties those words together, making the subject “actually disabled person,” which firmly implies (but does not explicitly state) that there is an issue with “fake” disabled people.

            I think you were shooting for “disabled people actually parking,” which means “typical usage by disabled people”

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        So you concede that the people who have built their career around issues like planning for an appropriate volume of handicapped parking should design for less than what they find necessary so that you, a presumably able-bodied person, don’t have to walk past a few more parking spaces?

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          I don’t even have a car.

          I’m 100% sure that these regulations are political, not technical/scientific.

          Some regulatory body decided for political reasons that this percentage of parking spots is required, that’s it. There’s no committee of experts actually evaluating how many spots are needed.

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            So you 100% know this because you sat in on those decisions, or because that is your uninformed opinion? What makes you an authority on parking spot requirements?

            Also if you don’t have a car why do you have an opinion at all?

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            In France, the card that allows you to use disable parking is only given to people who past a medical test proving they cannot walk more than 300 m. My friend with such card will inconvenience many more if there is no such parking spot as their helper will have to let them out at the door of what-ever-the-place-is. As for not using car, they cannot drive any mean of transportation and the helper isn’t in great health its self to carrie them out on some cargo bike even if electric. My friend doesn’t deserved to not to have access to a space because the number of handicap today there was as the statistical expectancy and you don’t want them to block the door for you to access either.

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    Imagine being so angry and so mad for so long at things you don’t understand and can’t control that you decide the best use of a moment of your life is to post a short attack on mobility-impaired individuals in general and your disappointment on how they have it too good.

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      And the funny part is that they don’t have it too good. Disability reserved parking is one of the few ways the society tries to make their lives not suck as much.

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        I like to imagine how the world, infrastructure, vehicles, electronic devices, buildings etc. would look like if most people on earth would be mobility-impaired. Then, considering how the world really looks like, it becomes obvious how even most basic notions of accessibility are lacking way too much. So much for a society fair to all.

        This thought experiment can be repeated with other cases. For example, replace “mobility-impaired” with “autistic” or “trans” and see similar results.

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    Can someone play devil’s advocate for Daniel? I truly do not get what his thinking is here.

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      IMO, he’s thinking that anyone with a disability is incapable of working, so they’ll be out during the day getting things done while the rest of us are working 9-5.

      Obviously not the case, and people with disabilities who are eligible for a disabled placard, are normal people, many of whom have jobs.

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      Because disabled people obviously only go to work, going out for fun is only for able bodied people.

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      Daniel is obviously thinking that disabled people turn into giant, ferocious wolves that will prowl the city streets for their insatiable desire for human flesh when the full moon rises and he doesn’t think that means they should be able to get into CVS faster than him when he has shampoo to buy.

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        Daniel doesn’t buy shampoo, his mum buys him a bottle each Christmas and birthday.

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      They seem to build out the number of handicapped spots for the peak crowd amount, which makes sense. If I’m at Home Depot and it’s 8PM, and there are maybe a dozen cars in the lot I could maybe see making a few spots handicap only during certain times?

      The flip side is that it’s only a few more steps for me. I’ll survive

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      It’s poor logic. He’s assuming disabled people can’t walk and therefore can’t do anything so they have no reason to be out of the house except for work.

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        I work from 5 till 9, not 9 to 5. I work NIGHT SHIFTS. I can’t really be around people and I’m kind of a vampire

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            4 hours a day, 5 days a week, so 20 hours (I actually wanna get moar, but right now each person only has one building… I’m a Janitor for a fortune 500)

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      My attempt:

      People with disabilities are obviously never outdoors themselves without an employed health worker. Outside of the normal work hours (9-17), we can’t expect any health workers to be taking diabled patients outdoors, thus Daniel should be allowed to park there on his way home.

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    Imagine being disabled and being able to afford a car. I live on less than 14k a year. Every single one of the half million people on disability income where I live are so far below the poverty line, the only way any of us own a car is if we’re living in it.

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    Bro I’m disabled and a lot of the time it’s well after 9 when I have a chance to get out…

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      That does not meet my experiences of reality in the US at least, very few businesses open to walk-in customers would be closed at 5pm, and parking lots usually serve for multiple businesss or just a spot to park and then go downtown.