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      Not exactly far left is he?

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        So that means he’s far right? 😂

        He’s just a right-wing populist. The BNP, English Democrats, EDL etc are far-right.

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          It doesn’t, but he clearly is.

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          Sure that’s what farage is calling the party, but that’s like saying North Korea is a democratic republic run by its people and not the autocratic dictatorship that it is, because that’s what the dictators call the country, and bad people wouldn’t just lie like that, would they?

          Farage has a very well documented track record. He’s a far-right fascist, his party will reflect that with policy.

          Populism is just a common tactic for fascists to get their foot in the door—literally the same tactics used by Hitler.

          Farage even said in this election that the supporters of the parties you list have been drawn to reform. I wonder why?

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            “Everything I don’t like is fascist”.

            He’s not a fascist. Seriously. Not even close. If real fascism ever made a return here, no one would be able to recognise it because they’ve spent years calling everything fascist.

            The National Rally in France have all the hallmarks of fascism, with the rhetoric on immigration, their dirigiste economic plans etc, and Farage has recently criticised them openly and said they would be a disaster for France.

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              Mate words have definitions, click any link in the comments of this post

              If your conclusion after is that he’s not a far-right fascist then fuck me mate, a brick has more critical thinking skills than you

              Either that or you’re a fascist astroturfer, so which is it? Because one gets you banned

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              Please indicate the part where it’s acceptable to do the things he does and please indicate how the things he does are not fascist because he is absolutely unequivocably 100% undeniably a fascist and you’re arguing he isn’t presumably because you have some kind of vested interest.

              Is it possible that you voted reform at some point and are now kind of feeling a bit guilty?

              The reason fascism is actually on the rise in the west is because people like you see it and say it’s acceptable because it isn’t fascism and they therefore fine.

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                No, the reason these parties are on the rise is because a significant portion of the electorate feel ignored, and have done for a number of years. They might not actually support a lot of what these parties are promising, but people are using them as a vehicle for protest and to make themselves heard.

                The reason these parties are doing well is a failure for the governments we’ve had across Europe to deal with the issues people care about.

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      We could argue about the overton window or whatever but far-right seems descriptive given that he is to the right of our traditional centre-right party, the tories. The Reform manifesto was proposing completely dismantling the benefits system for example, which would be a “far-right” policy imo.

      I agree with your other comments that he’s not a fascist though. Fascism is a really specifc political doctorine that basically claims that the needs of the state trump any specific individual’s needs. People online tend to use it like a blanket term to describe any opinion that they don’t like which is to the right of their own (ditto with “nazi”). The BNP were literally fascist, and there is a real difference between their position and the Reform one.