• Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldOP
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      One of my former wives told me to just at least look for a little optimism, so here goes…

      I think you could make an argument this might be “rock bottom” for a Democratic campaign given the media narrative over the past week.

      But Trump still can’t hit 50% or get over the hump to a majority. So the one possible good takeaway is that this would indicate that if we could get our shit together, there’s hope.

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        Trump doesn’t need 50% of the country though, he just needs to tighten his lead in the key battleground states he was already beating Biden in.

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        I appreciate the positive viewpoint, but we also need to remember that the popular vote doesn’t decide the election. Trump won in 2016 with 46%.

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      But then MSM wouldnt be able to spin!

      Also, these headlines makes it seem like trump won the debate when clearly everyone single person in America lost.

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      An individual poll might be but agreggate polls definitely can show a trend. The trend is not good for Biden. He took all the wind out of his sails last week. I’m in the anyone but trump camp but how can anyone in good faith argue with an undecided that Biden has another four years in him?

      Records are great but elections are about the future.

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        Hopefully someone can stop worrying about Uncle Joe’s feelings and hold an intervention so it only dooms Biden.

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            He wasn’t particularly keen on Biden 2020, so I wonder how much influence he really has with him personally. He could rally the troops for an intervention though.

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                I don’t think they matter to Joe, I think Democratic megadonors and powerful elected officials are the people who could get through.

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        Ironic. You’re the one taking these polls seriously, and on top of that spreading voter apathy. Seems like you’re coping just fine.

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    A new New York Times/Siena poll finds Donald Trump leading Joe Biden nationally among registered voters by eight percentage points, 49% to 41%.

    Among likely voters, Trump leads by six percentage points, 49% to 43%.

    Overall, 74% of voters view Biden as too old for the job, an uptick of eight points since the debate.

    Nate Cohn: “In each case, it’s a three-point shift toward Mr. Trump since the last Times/Siena survey, taken immediately before the debate.”

    “Historically, a three-point shift after the first debate isn’t unusual. In fact, it’s the norm. Over the last seven presidential elections, the person generally considered the winner of the first presidential debate has gained an average of three points in post-debate polls

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      The horizontal position of the solid colored circle is the percentage (further to the right means higher) and the opaque color band is the margin for error.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    A majority of every demographic, geographic and ideological group in the poll — including Black voters and those who said they will still be voting for him — believe Mr. Biden, 81, is too old to be effective.

    The poll offers early empirical evidence of what many Democrats have feared: That Mr. Biden’s faltering debate performance has further imperiled his chances against Mr. Trump this fall.

    After the debate, 42 percent of voters view Mr. Trump as too old for the job, an increase of three points from a week prior that was driven heavily by Democrats.

    Mr. Trump has made appeals to machismo a centerpiece of his 2024 campaign, making his first public appearance after his felony conviction related to paying hush money to a porn star a visit to a U.F.C.

    The share of voters paying a lot of attention to the campaign was jolted up 9 percentage points in the wake of the much-discussed debate.

    In theory, this means that the results should reflect the views of the overall population most of the time, though many other challenges create additional sources of error.


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