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    I was wondering when they would start to figure out that maybe it’s a bad idea for the government to get between people and their doctors.

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      Most will only realize its a bad idea when it affects them. Just like they can only empathize with someone who is experiencing the exact same thing they are.

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      “Getting between people and doctors” is maybe the wrong wording, that’s the excuse snake oil salesmen and antivaxxers use. The FDA and other regulatory bodies should get between people and doctors, the opiod crisis peddled by big pharma is enough proof.

      Remember during the height of COVID when quacks (and the president) were prescribing dewormers?

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        Please, don’t call it that. It was, yes, technically “the president” at the time, but we don’t have to call it that anymore, or ever again — even when referring to that (not brief enough) period in history.

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    This is ABSURD! Somebody needs to AMEND these laws to allow little girls to get Breast Implants!

    -Republicans that totally aren’t Sex Offenders like DRAG QUEENS ARE!

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    Gender affirmation only counts to them if it defies the sex or gender binary. They’re completely fine with people modifying their bodies to affirm their masculinity or femininity so long as they were assigned male or female at birth accordingly.

    Trans people pursuing medical transition are such a small percentage of the population that cis people getting hormone therapy or affirming surgeries will always dwarf the number of trans people who are. Throw in all of the ways we affirm the gender of cis people, through language and fashion and culture and so on, and it’s evident what their gripe is. It’s never been about children receiving gender affirmation, merely their conviction that transgender people do not exist or are immoral and evil and shouldn’t exist. There’s a reason modern transphobia is highly intertwined with fascism. To believe that an entire group of people, based solely on their gender, is immoral and evil is only possible through a lense of dehumanization and conspiracy. Something they are especially good at. We are too few in number and too disparate to counteract the efforts of fascists, who by themselves outnumber us in every way.

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      They may be fine with it, but the laws they are passing are not.

      And I won’t be shocked if they decide that it’s actually a good thing like the anti-IVF stuff that happened as a result of the anti-abortion laws.

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        You know damn well as soon as some politician needs some work done or their wife does, the laws will be changed to adjust the definition to “affirming a gender other than what was assigned at birth”

        In no world does America ban boob jobs or any of the whatever the fuck insecure men get done.

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          Easy enough to get around for everyone then. Are you male to female trans? You’re not getting a vagina, you’re getting a penis reduction.

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    Out of the 151 breast reductions that were performed in 2019 on American minors, 146 (97 percent) were performed on cisgender males.

    The thing is, growing up in an evangelical church they don’t want these people getting breast reduction surgery either. they firmly believe that any change to the body is going against God’s will regardless of the physical or mental harm it may cause.

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        Idk, the #1 thing people said behind Dolly Parton’s back and held against her was that she had fake tits.

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          People are awful. If there’s nothing that they can be mean about, they’ll make shit up. I suspect most of that was more because she was rich/famous/influential in her own right rather than being tied to a husband.

          (though she’s married. I looked it up outta curiosity. He doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page…

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            Dolly’s husband has never been a part of her public persona. He’s always been in the background and almost everyone has respected his/her choice on the matter.

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          absolutely true but Dolly Parton did not have to face transphobic harassment and violence

          very very very important distinction

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        That one did oddly enough draw less of a stink, though it did still get whispered about when it suited one’s purpose.

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      Oh they absolutely do. The alternative is men with breasts. They’ll say they don’t, but when the time comes to accept cis men’s bodies when they fall outside “male” expectations they won’t.

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      My mother is fond of saying “God doesn’t make junk”. Easily disproven whether or not you believe in a god, but she’s a “if I don’t like it, it didn’t happen” variety of Trump supporter, so I err on the side of changing the subject over arguing.

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        I’m so sorry you have to deal with that.

        There’s no way I could continue having a relationship with anyone who is a trump supporter.

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          Thank you. It is really difficult. It’s especially hard to find the line. (Un)fortunately for me she’s always been unreasonable per se, so I already had her at arm’s length before Trump flopped onto the scene.

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      Although they’re usually fine with things like wearing glasses and getting stents. Odd, isn’t it?

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      Except male genital mutilation, aka circumcision. (Please don’t take this as me saying FGM and MGM are equally bad. FGM is much, much worse.)

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      this should hilight to us the outsized effect transphobia has on discourse.

      if we were to believe the line that “we’re just concerned about people getting mutilated” we must naturally expect to see that 97% margin of outrage at breast implants, hair implants, weight management surgery etc. for cis folk.

      and we don’t. here and there you might hear an evangelical getting upsetti spaghetti avout Ozempic et al but transphobic talking points dominate, in vast disproportion to actual individual cases.

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      Well except for giant fake titties, God wants those. If we can get those on some minors, I’m pretty sure Republicans would shut the fuck up for decades.

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      My mother (religious) once told me my tattoos make her sad. There are only two that are visible on a forearm (the third is under my shirt). I told her that they make me feel happy. She’s never brought it up again. But hers is less fervent, still rooted in the same origin.

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        I’m guessing that’s because the Bible says no tattoos in the same book where it says not to eat pork and shellfish, but Christians only believe the passages in the Pentateuch if they’re okay with them.

        Bible says no pork, pork is ok.

        Bible says not to be gay in the exact same book, being gay is an abomination unto the lord.

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      This appears to be an issue with accurate reporting. Considerations like this would make the data make a lot more sense.

      The problem is the interpretation by those running the study.

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        I’m not sure I am perfectly following you—what should the authors have said?

        I am definitely mistakenly misreading you here, sorry for the inconvenience!

        (significantly edited to reflect my intent; also if any others could help me out, i don’t mean to bug this person and annoy them)

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            well i am missing your point i guess, sorry. could you rephrase what you are saying ? im quite lost

            edit: like what is “the problem” involved here? what are the journalists saying that is misleading?

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              well i am missing your point i guess

              Yes, despite it being very simple and my having explained it clearly…

              sorry

              No, being “confusing and distracting” by muddying the waters was you whole point. You’re clearly arguing in bad faith. It’s just that I called you out.

              Facing the consequences of your actions is not a state of victimhood.

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                i literally don’t know what you are talking about, lol. just asking for clarification because my initial reading was clearly wrong :)

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                  Sealioning

                  Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassmentthat consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[1][2][3][4] It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”,[5] and has been likened to a  denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings.[6] The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomic Wondermark by David Malki,[7] which The Independent called “the most apt description of Twitter you’ll ever see”.[8]

                  Just asking questions

                  Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off, or as emojis: “🤔🤔🤔”[1]) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of proof to one’s opponent; rather than laboriously having to prove that all politicians are reptoid scum, one can pull out one single odd piece of evidence and force the opponent to explain why the evidence is wrong.

                  The tactic is closely related to loaded questions or leading questions (which are usually employed when using it), Gish Gallops (when asking a huge number of rapid-fire questions without regard for the answers), and Argumentum ad nauseam (when asking the same question over and over in an attempt to overwhelm refutations).

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                  Your dissembling changes nothing. It only confirms my claim that you’re arguing in bad faith.

                  Thanks for that!

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    Why are so many cis males getting breast reduction surgery tho?

    Edit I didn’t know that many dudes had boobs. Makes sense, thanks :3

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      Especially when you can get them enlarged! C’mon fellas. Have fun with it.

      Seriously though, I get that this could be terribly embarrassing if you have boobs as a man. I feel bad for kids in gym locker rooms getting teased.

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      Dude, I saw that picture of Elliot Page after he got his breasts removed. He looked HAPPY. Rejuvenated. I want to get rid of mine to. I’ve never wanted gender affirming care as much as I do now as a cis gender man, these guys are getting it done. It’s clearly making them feel better.

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      All dudes have boobs. They have nipples and breast tissue. They can lactate (small amounts) and get breast cancer.

      This is because, in mammals, the default sex leans towards more female. An XY-chromosome ‘male’ foetus that doesn’t respond to androgens in the womb will not develop male external genitalia, and will probably be assumed to be female on birth.

      Sex is not binary, because biology isn’t simple. Gender, which is more complex than that, is not, either.

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        Surgical tech here!

        We do these (breast reduction surgeries on men) every now and then. Not super often… I’ve been in maybe 10 of them? Of the ones I’ve been in, one was a dude with breast cancer - chopped out the cancer, then chopped down the other moob so they’d heal to be the same size. All of the other ones were gym rats who took steroids and grew some boobs. None were overweight.

        I’ve only been in a handful, so grain of salt, but in my experience weight is NOT a factor.

         

        …and this seems like a good time for a plug: Men can 100% get breast cancer. Not often, but possible. If any of you fellas feel a weird lump in your moobs, DO NOT hesitate to get it checked out!!

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          This is one of the first comments I have seen on lemmy that truly feels like old school reddit. You applied your professional knowledge to that fairly unkind commenter not only to correct them but also to express something many might not know!

          Very cool of you keep it up champ :)

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          When I was at the Mayo Clinic in March, I met a couple there, the guy had breast cancer 10 years ago and his wife was in remission for appendix cancer.

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        It’s different for everyone, I’m overweight and don’t have tiddies at all, but I’ve seen men who looked like a fairly healthy weight who had noticeable tiddies.

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    All those dudes getting breast reduction and not a single one getting a penis enlargement?

    It also said it’s on minors which means they didn’t choose to have this done; their parents/guardians did. It’s all cool if you’re choosing for yourself. It’s pretty disgusting to force this stuff on a child that can’t legally choose for themselves; whether it’s cisgendered or not.

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      It’s pretty disgusting to force this stuff on a child that can’t legally choose for themselves

      Lol, what? Sure, they need parental permission… but you’re assuming they don’t have the mental capacity to choose to have a procedure?