and after casually admitting to dragnet mass surveillance, they had the audacity to later force a redaction. see below:
- Then: https://archive.ph/wIt8h
- Now: https://archive.ph/ny28k
Offline some occupations also have a duty to report.
If someone buys large amounts of a certain fertilizer and the store owner don’t recall them being a local farmer. And it has to be that type specifically and not one of the other fertilizer types recommended. Its considered a red flag, and i think in such cases its fair
Thats no excuse for how little police respects privacy online at all. But you can see how its the same idea recycled.
There is a big difference between someone printing a gun and building an actual bomb.
You’re probably talking about ammonium nitrate specifically. And once you’ve made your explosive with it, you still need to make something to detonate it, since it’s pretty stable without that; it’s not like sweating dynamite.
ANFO was used to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, so the feds take that pretty seriously.
You mean tannerite?
No he means ammonium nitrate. It’s used as a fertilizer and when mixed with a fuel it becomes ANFO which is the explosive that McVeigh used in Oklahoma City.
Not a clue, the people who told me about this system weren’t allowed to tell me any details.
You are right. Fertilizer is a big boom when mixed with the right stuff.
If a crime had been committed and could then be linked back to someone buying that fertilizer then sure. But doing so beforehand is wrong because
Privacy is not a crime.
Just because someone could use something for something bad doesn’t mean they will and I think it doesn’t mean they should be monitored before there is any other indication that they could be about to commit a crime. Sure if they bought a truckload of it that’s a red flag maybe but even then, we have really just given up privacy in such a way that something you buy that is a legal thing puts you on a list just for having bought it once.
How long until they monitor the States medical marijuana programs and kick in everyone’s door for conspiracy to commit a federal crime? Sounds far fetched doesn’t it?
Almost like being on a list for buying a 3D printer, or fertilizer. Pretty fucked up its like that to be honest. Is mass surveillance really the answer here?
There is a big difference between someone printing a gun and building an actual bomb.
Imo, only if the bomb is passively a threat to others.
Agree on the sentiment. But the bomb i meant is a different scale. if recreational or scientific explosives are what you want are you really going to do so using an actual truckload of industrial fertilizer? Most people don’t have that kind of pocket money to burn either.
Having done some research the most famous bombing using fertilizer was the Oklahoma city bombing in 95. Which used about 5000 pounds of fertilizer and resulted in the death of over 150 people. Over 600 injured.
A farmer may need more then 10 times that amount annually. So for them this is a normal purchase.
But if your not a farmer, requesting such amounts. It should be standard to at least show your Mythbusters member card instead or something.
But the bomb i meant is a different scale. if recreational or scientific explosives are what you want are you really going to do so using an actual truckload of industrial fertilizer?
And in that case, the collection of explosives could potentially be a passive threat to others. Imo, the laws surrounding it should depend on the context — ie threat to public safety.
500+ rounds? Oh my heavens! He was either preparing for a mass murder or an hour at the range.
Lol and that’s an arsenal, I’ve gifted my friends and family more firearms than that.
500+ rounds of… probably 22lr…in a Winchester range pack lol
An hour? Some weapons firing cyclic would burn through 500 rounds in less than a minute.
Assuming a 500 rd mag and the fastest trigger pull in the west, sure. 99% of people won’t be able to burn 500 in a minute
Cyclic implies automatic fire so really only one pull of the trigger.
Some highly regulated, very expensive to buy, and rare, weapons you mean. Full automatic weapons are far from the norm on any target range.
We’re in a thread with guys building ghost guns. You realize how easy it is to build an automatic ghost gun instead of a semi auto? One part built differently, that’s it.
As a retired toolmaker - yes, yes I do. And a whole lot better than you. And I actually posses the tools, skills, knowledge required to manufacture a firearm completely from scratch - a lathe, mill, drill press and even a 3D printer. I suppose technically, I’ve built several “ghost guns” myself over the years. I sourced all the parts individually, including a stock blank, fitted them all together and built a fully functional firearm. They were all muzzle loading rifles, but they were real firearms. There is a vibrant, though niche industry, that caters to us “mountain folk” and our desire to touch the history. It was a truly fun and educational process that gave some real pride of craftsmanship in the end product.
The point still stands - full auto weapons are very uncommon, legal or otherwise, in public hands and you for sure won’t ever see such a thing as a full auto ghost gun on a public target range. Even cops don’t get to own full auto weapons in the US. At least not without jumping through some very, very, very difficult and expensive hoops that pretty much make it impossible.
Public target range…ghost gun.
Do you really think someone is bringing a ghost gun to a public range? The whole point is so no one knows you have that gun.
Your quote was :Some highly regulated, very expensive to buy, and rare weapons.
Ghost guns aren’t any of those things. So if i build a ghost gun and drop an automatic firing pin in that bad boy i could have a gun that shoots 500 rounds cyclic.
The firing pin doesn’t matter. You need a special bolt and trigger assembly. Not the easiest thing to come by. Nor the hardest.
All this effort to stop someone from making their own gun but nothing to keep people from putting money in gun companies hands.
Yeah, like…there’s nothing really stopping people from buying an arsenal through guns hows and stores. Like…this almost makes no sense. I get it, there are serial numbers and tracking means with manufacturer made guns. Is that the only reason? Because I’ve seen a few people with much bigger arsenals.
Its because of the expectation of privacy. They think they know that anyone who would make a gun this way wants to do it in a way that keeps their privacy.
That is the issue they have.
Gun shows and stuff sure they know about that but they have tons of feds play dress up like normal people and go to those to phish for info. If they really want to they would check all the cameras which I would bet gold they 100% do.
But this is made for privacy and that’s why they view it as a problem.
My neighbor cop is friends with the persons that owns the Amazon and FedEx local delivery companies.
Because of that friendship and me calling him a fascist they open my deliveries all the time for him.
When I accused him of it he told me to prove it.
Fucking fascists.
You have to act chill in front of them or they can ruin your life.
Get together with like minded individuals and call them the fascist piece of shit pigs they are. But don’t do it to their face or they will hunt you like prey.
When I accused him of it he told me to prove it.
I wonder if you could get a 360 camera that uploads to the cloud in real time and ship it to yourself?
If you are able to list yourself as an Amazon seller, get this sort of camera and buy it so you can send it to the local Amazon center you might be able to get them.
Time to buy some anthrax, I say
Nah. Don’t hurt the guy in the post office just following orders.
Cash.
Monero
I dont get the hate on monero is a super privacy effective currency
I don’t get how a currency can be taken seriously when it’s value can swing 25% in a month
A lot of actual state currency could swing more than 25% in a month. And the privacy that monero offer is a viable argument when you don’t want to expose what you do to the all world.
Russian rouble: “Oh, really? Now I don’t need take dollar seriously after that swing of 100%?”
Easy by using it. Since you know it swings you can take a look at what its average normally is and buy it when it’s below its average and sell it when it’s above its average and that dampens that volatility out over time as enough people do that. When it is below its average price and you purchase it because of that, that pushes the price upwards towards the average price and when the price is above the average price and you buy a product that has a slight downward pressure on the price which brings it closer to the average.
Dude I’m not looking at monero charts to decide if I’m doing my biweekly Costco run today or not
Don’t need monero for Costco you simpleton
No, of course you don’t. You need your bi-weekly Costco run, so you go do it, no matter what the price is. But you can be advantageous when you’re buying your next xbox or PlayStation and be like, is now a good time to buy that. If the answers no, then you can wait a little bit and buy at a more advantageous time for you. When it comes to essentials, such as food, energy, and whatever, you make the purchase no matter what the price is, and when it comes to discretionary, you can make the best choice for you, whether you choose to wait a little bit or not.
Some people live their life by sound bites. They’ve been told crypto is bad, and a lot of crypto is, so they just downvote anything along those lines.
We are in a privacy community, talking about ways to buy things privately, using private digital money. The down voters have no replacement no alternative suggestion no way to do things privately other than stop doing things. It’s not productive, and if they do believe in privacy, it’s contrary to their goals.
For the people who are about to down vote me, please respond to this comment, and tell me how do you buy things online privately?
So far 6 downvotes and not ONE of them has a response. That’s cowardice
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I don’t understand how people are buying Monero or how it is possible to spend it. Who is selling 3D printers and gun parts for Monero without shipping it that this guy would have been able to get away with?
There are several ways to buy it:
xmrbazaar.com Username: beta Password: tester click “Earn XMR”
Or if you already have 0.11XMR Haveno DEX
Or if you have another crypto Trocador (keep it under 1k USD and “A” or “B” rated to get insurance.
As for if anybody is selling 3D printed gun parts. I’m not sure.
Well the thing is, you buy the printer and print the parts. Then you buy things like a barrel, internals, magazines, sights, etc.
The most ridiculous part of this? You can just buy an 80% Glock or ar lower receiver. It takes minimal googling to learn how to finish that last 20%. In some cases it comes with a jig and instructions. So, Tracking 3d printers is fucking absurd. The amount of people buying a 3d printer solely for the purpose of constructing a firearm is minuscule. And of those, most are hobbyists.
This is specific to New York, which has banned making your own firearms. In the state I live in, there would be absolutely nothing illegal about buying 80% parts and building my own firearms. Or, if I really hated myself, buying a benchtop CNC mill, and trying to make a functioning 2011.
Tracking the sale of certain classes of items and having reams of data is obviously a huge problem; the only way to correct it would be to enact privacy laws that forbade companies from selling or sharing data with any gov’t agency without a warrant, and then limiting the warrant to a single person’s transactions.
Yeah I figured that NY must have made 80% parts illegal based on the context of this whole case.
I agree it s way more simple to just buy directly a firearm than 3d print it.
Right, sorry if my lingo made the point unclear. An 80% frame or receiver is legally NOT a firearm and when completed won’t have a serial and is also a ghost gun. My point was that the 3d printer as a flag for them to start to investigate is absolutely ridiculous.
Why people hating on this? I guess the not psyop was very effective.
How many ghost guns are actually used to commit crimes, and if we stopped doing this how much would that number go up? I feel like those numbers must be tiny, since ghost guns require lots of specialized skills and knowledge.
Almost zero. This is just a scary sounding thing that they can use to justify illegal domestic spying, and the masses go “oh, good job! Get those scary ghost gun guys!”
Lmfaoooo u funny bruv.
All a “ghost gun” means is that the gun isn’t registered. It’s effectively the same thing as a garage gun. Also, the actual number of “ghost guns” used in crimes is stupidly small. Like not enough to matter for rounding off of 99.9% of gun crime.
As for the “specialized skills” needed to make one of these? Have you ever had a high school carpentry class, maybe a beginning into to working in a metal shop? Congrats. You now have all the special skills you need to buy, assemble, and fabricate a 100% legal slam fire shotgun out of plumbing parts.
Even making an AR is a weekend project for a motivated individual.
TIL there are ghost gun kits that you can buy. Crazy.
So your name goes onto a list because you buy a 3d printer? This is some bullshit!
Get it shipped to relatives/friends or only buy stuff like that during holidays.
I’d rather push back against all of this illegal surveillance and regain our privacy. But since most people don’t seem to care or understand why privacy is important, that’s unlikely to happen. It’s especially pronounced with the younger generations since they’ve never had any privacy, so they don’t even understand what has been taken from them.
A warrant for what crime?
i thought guns and making them is legal in the US
They are. Only manufacturers need to implement all the forensics nonsense. It’s like how piracy is ok, but distributing isn’t.
Some states have their own (arguably unconstitutional) laws.
“One more step…”
Nothing like a privacy abusing Cloudflare site to expose privacy abuse. If anyone has openly accessible Cloudflare-free links, or can post the info for the excluded people, plz post.
Nothing like a privacy abusing Cloudflare site
Why did you specifically reference “Cloudflare”? I thought that cloudflare was one of the more privacy friendly DNS. I’m, at least, not currently aware of any sketchy shenanigans by Cloudflare.
Thanks! I appreciate the info.
Privacy is not a crime.
We all need to stop saying things like it shouldn’t be a crime, it ISNT a crime and shouldn’t have to be defended or proven as a right to have.
This shit is supposed be illegal for them to do like this. I guess until they passed the PATRIOT act or some other “love Americas children first” act bullshit they do.
There is nothing illegal about what the cops are doing here. Immoral? Perhaps. But not illegal.
These services are selling your purchase history to the authorities, and as a user of these services, you agreed with that as a condition of using the services.
Want privacy? Don’t use services that track and sell your data. Easier said than done, I know.
Disclaimer: I’m using “you” a lot in this comment. This is a royal “you” not a specific “you”.
So buy components and don’t use social media.
Got it.
Ship them to friends houses but ones that also don’t use social media or even if they do they just got one part.
Privacy is not a crime. And they should not be allowed to surveil our day to day like this to get warrants, the warrants are supposed to come first. Or rather, used to.
Indeed. Sadly we live in strange times. First, Second, and Fourth Amendments always under attack.
Good luck with that, most smart people are going to go to different stores likely in different towns wearing camera obscuring clothes and buy prepaid gift cards with cash
Then make purchases on sites that don’t require financial information and probably pay some buddies or associates to act as parcel receival addresses to then forward to them
Could even pay associates or friends to go and buy the prepaid gift cards for you
Username: beta Password: tester
This is a peer-to-peer platform that uses Monero as its currency in order to protect financial privacy. It also has a non-custodial escrow system so that both buyer and seller are sure the money is actually there.
Yo thats cool would be nice if this could operate in a federated manner. Would give it the robustness to withstand the alphabet bois.
There was at one point a couple of years ago a system called Open Bazaar which I think could be forked and brought back to life that could do something like this.
Dude I pray everyday that someone will re open it. Such an amazing technology that was extremely under appreciated
They kind of made all the wrong mistakes though. First of all, it was just too early for decentralized markets to really take off. Second of all, it was after the Bitcoin block size wars and they chose Bitcoin anyway, and third, they used venture capital funding. I think if somebody redid it with Monero and community funding instead of venture capital, it might actually work.
thanks for sharing, Monero is the way.
Glad I can help improving the circular economy is something that needs to be talked about.
absolutely, more resources here! https://git.hackliberty.org/hackliberty.org/Hack-Liberty-Resources
You do realize you’re in a privacy sub right?
I realize that a gun nut had his guns taken 😘
One down, another million or so assholes, give or take, to go
Last year’s estimate was around 83 million owners. Join us.
Ha ha no
I don’t live my life in fear
Sounds like you live in fear of gun owners 😝
You’re so close to a realization, perhaps even an epiphany.
If you’re in fear of 83 million Americans, or about 25% of the population, you should seek therapy.
While your there, I hope you reflect on Marx’s quote, “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
Is that supposed to be an impressive array of weapons and ammo? I suppose it is to liberals, but they should raid my safe. At least I have some interesting weapons.
I can tell, from the pixels and having seen some guns in my time, that collection is from some idiot that doesn’t fire them. Ever. This is a pic of “safe queens”, guns they don’t actually use, but buy to make themselves feel tough. The retard mag is my first clue.
So some dumbass has a 3D printer and some simple store-bought guns and the cops proudly shit themselves for taking a pic?!
“We got bullets and everything!”
My embarrassment for them is only outweighed by my disgust for the civil rights violation.
Liberal and anti-gun are not synonyms.
And if you track down and read the article you’ll see he had the ghost gun, 5 unregistered handguns, a suppressor, and over a dozen high capacity magazines, all of which are illegal in New York. I’m not arguing whether all of those things SHOULD be illegal, I don’t live in NY so I don’t have a stake in this, but that is the current law and this dude was well outside of it.
I hope that the FPC gets ahold of this case; the prohibition on making your own firearms in any capacity, and being told that he couldn’t use an affirmative 2A defense in court might be enough to kick this up to SCOTUS.
Nothing funnier than some gun sexual prick
