Not an official announcement, but it’s probably safe to assume an Xbox handheld is in development.

  • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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    1423 hours ago

    If they can’t pull this off as an ARM device and recompile all the games to run on it, then don’t bother.

    There’s nothing they can really bring to this that the Steam Deck hasn’t already done better.

  • HobbitFoot
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    1052 days ago

    SteamOS is probably the biggest risk to the Windows monopoly right now, so that tracks.

    • Scrubbles
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      And it’s absolutely Microsoft’s cycle. New game changer product comes on the market, they rush a half ass version out with the promise of a really good one later, half ass one flops, they scrap the whole idea because no one wants the half ass version, they fade into obscurity.

      Tablets, VR, video chat, phones

      Anyone remember this?

      • @supersquirrel
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        I loved windows phone, the UI was so clear (I still use square home on android to this day), the camera app was superb and it was a very efficient operating system for low end hardware.

        It didn’t have a ton of apps but honestly I don’t know, sometimes that doesn’t feel like a bad thing for a thing I am always trying to make more into a tool than an addiction….

        Sure windows phone wasn’t going to grow rapidly for years, but it was well situated to take advantage of an opportunity in the future when apple or google stumbled and created an opening. I think for a company as large as Microsoft just abandoning it entirely was a massively stupid move. Now Microsoft has a gigantic blind spot in mobile, and they are stuck in that position.

  • @mlg@lemmy.world
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    332 days ago

    I’m assuming it’s gonna be a lame attempt to capitalize on the steam deck’s success with hope that popular DRM game exclusives will drive sales.

    Although I’m pretty sure the MSI Claw already proved that won’t work. Even if it had been good in hardware, the addition of only a few select games didn’t justify the cost or performance of windows on a handheld.

    Unless they put some actual development and research behind it, which they won’t, it’ll probably last only a few years before they have to cancel due to sunk cost and lack of game sales.

    They’d need to properly place DirectX with a clean NT kernel on some good hardware, and make a completely new (and usable) UI like Xbox without sacrificing battery power, which even the deck struggled to accomplish.

    Considering how cruddy windows 11 has been, Xbox nuking teams left & right, and MSFT throwing all their budget at AI, I just don’t see it happening.

    • @TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee
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      112 days ago

      I consider this comment naive. Microsoft selling a powerful arm based handheld might be extremely successful and totally viable. They have already done the rnd for x86 backwards compatibility on arm and have a close relationship with Qualcomm.

      • @BaroqBard@lemmy.world
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        92 days ago

        On top of this, I doubt many of the Steam Deck’s current competitors could have sold at a loss like Valve did (IIRC, they sold at a loss or at least pretty close to it). Microsoft, however, definitely has the spare money as a larger corp if they decided to really back the XBox/Gaming division. Price-wise, they could compete. If they’re in the same pricing ballpark, manage a reasonable quality handheld, and can promise perfect windows compatibility with games, that might be something.

        • @supersquirrel
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          I guess but Microsoft truly feels like it is abandoning any commitment to making Windows function well for users.

          They basically seem to think people have no choice and that they can focus their entire business on turning Windows into a surveillance advertisement platform.

          In this environment, launching a windows handheld would be a laughable joke honestly.

          The numbers don’t show it yet, but in the longterm Windows has catastrophically lost the home user operating system market and they deserve to for their awful stewardship of the market.

  • @hperrin@lemmy.world
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    I would never buy an Xbox handheld. Why would you want a handheld that is locked into Microsoft’s ecosystem even more than a Windows handheld? You’ll get maybe ten to fifteen years out of it, then it will become a brick that Microsoft has abandoned. You will never have fond memories of playing on the Xbox handheld that you can recreate with physical hardware. You’ll never get to show your kids what gaming was like on the thing, because the authentication servers were shut off years ago, and now it is a worthless paperweight.

    • @smeg@feddit.uk
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      292 days ago

      You’ll get maybe ten to fifteen years out of it

      That’s way longer than most consoles last before the servers get turned off

      • @hperrin@lemmy.world
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        Microsoft is at least good about supporting their gaming hardware for quite a while. But better than other consoles still isn’t good enough. I’ve got a computer from ~1990 that still works and can play contemporary PC games. You can bet the Steam Deck will still work in 2060.

    • @w2tpmf@lemmy.world
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      Microsoft could just drop a Windows handheld that can play Xbox games natively.

      The Xbox already runs on a custom VM based on Windows 10/11. Microsoft themselves are the only ones keeping the two who systems separated by artificial software limitations.

      • @hperrin@lemmy.world
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        They could, but they won’t.

        They could also release a handheld gaming PC that runs Windows under their Surface brand, if they wanted to go that route.

        • JJLinux
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          That’s something that could have even saved them money on R&D for the Xbox itself, but there’s no way in hell they would allow you to use your gaming console as a desktop.

          It is fascinating how they are willing to waste a shitload of money just to lock users into an ecosystem. Imagine how easy it would be to just run Windows on the Xbox and allow to boot into desktop or game mode as needed. That would have been a huge selling point against Playstation, but “make life better for your users” will never be part of MS’s philosophy.

    • arglebargle
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      32 days ago

      Way ahead of you. I would never buy an Xbox. Or anything microsoft for that matter. It’s just been better this way.

  • QuentinCallaghanA
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    If Microsoft stuck with what it already does, it would be better. They already have cloud streaming technology which makes playing games on their ecosystem possible on any screen. Having a separate handheld console would complicate things. I just don’t see the appeal.

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        I said this earlier in the thread but I am very confident at this point that Microsoft already lost this battle to Linux in the longterm. Particularly because Linux operating system devs don’t care about AI and Microsoft is obsessed with it like all other dumb massive tech companies and honestly it is going to lead nowhere in terms of providing a useful basis for an operating system especially if the foundation you are working from sucks (glares at Microsoft and Windows). So volunteer Linux devs actually have a huge lead here even though Microsoft has wayyyyy more resources and money because Microsoft is firehosing it all at the stupidest shit while they fire core team members left and right destroying their longterm capability to create quality products.

        You really have to understand AI as the dream come true from sociopathic tech CEOs standpoint, they can finally get rid of the humans, fire most of the programmers and suck up so much data that they can create an UBER AI that knows all…. except reality doesn’t work like that. No matter, reality is kept safely at bay always at least 4 kilometers from the Microsoft C-suite at all times.

        The shift just hasn’t happened yet like a dead tree limb hanging on until that gust of wind comes along and the whole limb comes crashing down abruptly weeks after the storm that weakened it.

        • @warmaster@lemmy.world
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          Yes, devs work on Linux. Now, since the Deck, people (2%) are starting to game on Linux. The next battlefields are the desktop and the living room. The latter could be solved by a Deck 2 (and a new dock) with E-GPU support. That is trickier, there needs to happen a lot of things, and is much more complex.

        • @warmaster@lemmy.world
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          People thought the same about portable, yet they did things for it to happen. If a company as inluential as Valve does the same for desktop, it could become a thing. I don’t mean dominate, I mean like a noteworthy event, just like the Deck.

  • @Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world
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    “Hey boss we have the tech from Surface Division to form factor the new Xbox and portable the same. People could just buy one device.”

    *Out the Windows boardroom guy meme*

  • xep
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    302 days ago

    Can we also have a Windows Phone next? You can call it an Xbox Phone if you like.

  • @Telorand@reddthat.com
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    I could only see this working if it came with 6 free months of GamePass, or if it was some kind of loss leader to sell games on their store.

    Unless it’s as easy to install games from the other stores, why would you otherwise pay to live in a tiny, walled garden?

    • FubarberryOPM
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      123 days ago

      I would expect it to be a loss leader. The cheap price combined with brand recognition, advertising, and a streamlined experience could make it a successful product I think.

    • @w2tpmf@lemmy.world
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      Even the ROG Ally comes with a free month of GamePass Ultimate, and a new Xbox comes with 90 days. I don’t see why a MS first party handheld wouldn’t come with some.

    • @Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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      Their competition is the Deck and other handhelds that run full versions of Windows, there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t give it the same kind of capacities (i.e. a real handheld PC) in which case it’s the Deck that will feel like a walled garden considering that not all games are compatible and not all launchers work on it.

      I say that as a Deck owner that plays with it pretty much once a day.

      • @Telorand@reddthat.com
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        I’ve heard from some others that there was a version of Windows (I’m blanking on which one) that worked great on tiny computers, so if they were to revive the project, it could be a really viable competitor.

        The other handhelds that run Windows suffer from it being too much of a traditional PC first and not having enough “console” in them, from what I hear. Can’t say from first hand experience, though, since I also own a Deck.

        Either way, time will tell what eventually comes out of that brief sentiment.

        • @Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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          Yep, Windows 8 had a mobile/tablet version.

          I also mentioned in another comment that they could simply do the same thing as with the Deck, have it start with a handheld/controller friendly UI (hmmm where could Microsoft’s Xbox division find that?) and give the option to switch to regular old Windows to do desktop stuff. It’s not as if playing on the desktop without a mouse and keyboard attached to the Deck is a fun experience either!

        • The switch came out 7 years ago my guy. The steamdeck was definitely inspired by the switch, but the steamdeck has something the switch doesnt: hardware that runs modern releases that normally only run on pc or a powerful console. This is why microsoft is interested in the market now: they realised the time is here for handheld gaming that can play homeconsole releases.

        • arefx
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          Nah probably the deck. Switch has been out for a long time these companies didn’t start rushing to make these portables until after steam deck. With your logic why stop at the switch. Switch? TRY THE GAME BOY MY GUY

            • arefx
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              That literally has nothing to do with it as evident by the fact that these handheld didn’t start coming out until after the steam deck. Switch total sales have been high for years now. This is a new trend. You’re free to think whatever you want though

            • JJLinux
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              You cannot compare these. While it is true that the switch sold 13 million+ units it’s first year, these are worldwide sales, while the Steam deck started (and still is) only in a few select markets, and started at a bit over 1 million units sold the first year. That’s what, 8% compared to the Switch’s first year? The deck was not being sold (at least not directly) in over 92% of the countries where the Switch was, so it seems like they are on par, or at least very close, by region.

              Also consider that the switch is more targeted at kids, while the deck is targeted at more mature players.

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                TL;DR You can compare. By total sales to unequivocally know why everyone wants the same form factor.

                It’s weird the coolaid drinkers cant read the start of threads to stay on topic.

    • FubarberryOPM
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      Must be, there were at least 3 new handheld PCs announced last week.

    • @thingsiplay@beehaw.org
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      Sometimes its not just about selling enough to justify creation of new device. Sometimes its the potential that they have in mind. The prices are quite high, so they probably make some bucks out of it while it is hot. Soon the market on PC gaming handhelds will be saturated. Then they need to innovate and create something outstanding in whatever way. At least this is what the optimist in me thinks.

      • Dizzy Devil Ducky
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        Then they need to innovate and create something outstanding…

        There’s the snag. Anything they innovate or create that’s outstanding will 100% be anti-consumer. That, or their version of innovation will be forcing an update to your system that pretty much brick it to ensure you buy a newer model (at least for countries that don’t have strong pro-consumer laws). I can count the number of companies on a single hand that I would trust not to do that.

  • morgan423
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    122 days ago

    Why would anyone buy this? You can already do this streaming through the Deck or any of the other handhelds, if Game Pass is your thing.

    • FubarberryOPM
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      A big part of the Deck outselling the competition is price. An Xbox handheld could be sold at a loss (like the deck) with the plan of making the money back on Microsoft store/Xbox store sales.

  • @Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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    Called it months ago, they’ll develop a handheld version of Windows and have their own handheld!

    If the controller feels as good as my Elite 2 then I’m sold

        • @Toribor@corndog.social
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          Windows 8 was an attempt to do all that already, though I don’t know that it succeeded. My guess is that this sort of handheld will run a stripped down version of Windows running the Xbox app.

          • @Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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            Well Windows 8 phones were considered to be awesome by those who had one, it’s the lack of support from third party that killed mass adoption.

            Also, if we’re looking at the past to decide what is and isn’t possible then gaming on Linux is impossible.

            Let’s not pretend that using the desktop on a Deck is a wonderful experience either, Steam’s big picture mode is just a front end that improves the experience and Microsoft could do the equivalent by reusing the Xbox UI with the option to fall back to Windows 11 proper and then people could launch another launcher from there if they wanted. Heck people could launch Steam in big picture mode from their Xbox handheld if they wanted!

  • Bezier
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    If they make a device that doesn’t suck, will people not just install Steam on it?

      • @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social
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        143 days ago

        I doubt even Microsoft are stupid enough to think they could release a PC-based gaming handheld without Steam support and not fail spectacularly.

        • FubarberryOPM
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          If it’s Xbox branded they could probably get away with it.

          • @Vilian@lemmy.ca
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            but xbox games could run o it?, pc games runs on steam deck because you can lower the graphics, they can make the same for xbox games?

            • FubarberryOPM
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              They use the xbox brand for microsoft store pc games too, and it’s probably those + gamepass that it would run. Those should let you lower the graphics.

              Also if the device is successful, it might actually get more devs to release their games on the Microsoft store instead of just on Steam, which would be a win-win for Microsoft.

        • @barsquid@lemmy.world
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          I saw a video on the extent they went to locking down the Xbox, I think they would do the same for the handheld.