“So guys getting blown up in trenches in Ukraine by drones? Ha, totally not age-restricted,” the creator said. “ Me firing a 3D printed pink glock that I made? Age-restricted. We don’t need kids watching that. We want kids watching people getting blown up by mines. Love it. Awesome.”
Guys missing the corpo bottom line.
Gun manufacturers have gotten sued by families of school shooting victims. Youtube runs the risk of getting dragged into court because little Billy sees the 3D printed pink glock, decides that he can make that, that its time to fuck up some bullies, and then after that those bullies parents shoot lawyers in every direction (which includes Youtube, even if the odds of getting anything are minimal) like mushroom spores. That risk assessment doesn’t exist for Ukraine war vids.
I suspect this is exactly right.
More generally “gun control” is never about controlling the cops, military, MIC, etc. There’s bi-partisan support for the state maintaining its monopoly on violence.
Of course the state wants to maintain its monopoly on violence. That’s what states do.
There’s bi-partisan support for the state maintaining its monopoly on violence.
as if this is a bad thing.
oh, sorry, were you still dreaming of starting a civil war with you widdle rifles against, I DUNNO, ARMOR DIVISIONS AND AIR FORCES AND CHEMICAL BIOLOGICAL AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS?
because that seems pitifully stupid.
It is if that’s how you think about it. But over time the thinking behind that has changed. Because these types of people are.in our military and they think most military members think like them. By proxy that means they’d be on the side of the “militia”.
By proxy that means they’d be on the side of the “militia”.
Nope. Regardless of your delusions of boogaloo, those people serving in the mil TOOK A FUCKING OATH.
It probably doesn’t mean shit to you, I mean, obviously, but it should matter to them. They voluntarily took an oath to defend the constitution of the US against all enemies foreign and domestic. I know, I took that oath, and no one said “oh but if you want civil war there’s an exception” - because there isn’t.
Traitorous fucks will happen, and they’ll face the consequences.
I was in the military. I took the oath. What I’m saying is, if you don’t think there are MAGAT idiots in the military (a lot of them), please understand they did a threat assessment of military members while Donald Trump was running for President the first time, and decided to make a military wide training specifically to educate us about that oath and remind us who what we took it to defend. So yes. I absolutely do know some people who are all for militia fighting the government who are still military members.
Traitorous fucks will happen, and they’ll face the consequences.
then you’re violating your oath by aiding them. AND YOU ARE AIDING THEM BY NOT TURNING THEM IN IF THEY’RE ACTUAL SEDITIOUS GARBAGE.
Why are you aiding seditious garbage? I thought you took your oath seriously.
I don’t think you understand just how prevalent this situation is, or just what they would need to do for me to “turn them in” for basically being on the wrong side of the political fence. For one, you’re assuming the person or persons in charge doesn’t feel the same way (chain of command isn’t the kind of thing you just skip because some of them happen to be suspect). Second, they actually have to do something against the UCMJ for me to “turn them in”. Thinking that the government should be overthrown in the event that it over steps is constitutional. Thinking you could overturn a free and legal public election is not constitutional, but it’s also not against the rules.
You can’t turn people in for thinking. Only for acting. You’re kind of coming off as a troll and I’m done with you following me through the thread.
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Yeah billy should be build IEDs not 3d printed guns. That’ll make kids safer. /s
Honestly, why can’t we put half the effort we do censoring the world into teaching kids/people the sanctity of human life. There was a time where the US was had strong pacifist culture but almost every house had gun, but I think we didn’t do a good job transitioning from religious to secular values in that way.
Yeah billy should be build IUDs not 3d printed guns
I see the /s but…The Ukraine war videos don’t show how to build IEDs, though. And even if they did, who would the parents sue? Ukraine, a nation at war? As opposed to 3D printed guns show you how to make them, and you could try to sue the gun company who it belongs to. And YouTube in both cases.
we didn’t do a good job transitioning from religious to secular values in that way.
A lot of religions were founded on and/or expanded by violence (Pilgrims to America, Knights Templar, Spanish Inquisition, etc), so I don’t remotely think “religious to secular” is the reason.
Oh yeah no doubt religion isn’t a solid basis for morality. More so just saying that we are niehlist, new ageist, more than holding something like humanist values now.
A lot of the 3d printed gun video content is more like reviews because YouTube already censor creation content.
Yeah billy should be build IUDs not 3d printed guns.
lol what the fuck?
Inter uterine devices are implanted birth control you fucking moron.
You probably meant IED, Improvised Explosive Device, but are too simple to understand acronyms have meanings.
Honestly, why can’t we put half the effort we do censoring the world
if you put half your effort into reading and comprehension you’d probably engage all four brain cells.
They have a logical point though. On the Ukranian war videos side we know that the news has to blur certain things for public decency or safety etc.
On the 3D printing side we know that while these videos are definitely educational, the point is that such an education can be used in a very horrible way.
IUD might be how their phone’s keyboard corrected, or they might have just swapped the acronyms. It’s more important that you knew what he meant and I think you’re dismissing it out of hand.
When the internet first became popular there was a whole thing about kids having access to the materials to make a bomb with instructions. Took some bookstores down with them. Anarchist cookbook moral panic everywhere.So yeah this has been a thing for a long time.
pfft, I think you’re giving them way more credit than they deserve. I really want them to homebrew IUD’s lol, they’re gonna need them when their states outlaw abortion.
I mean I am unironically I am for people making medicine and medical devices at home if they have no other option (the four thieves vinegar collective is the best group I know for this, with diy abortion cards being one their products).
I mean I am unironically I am for people making medicine and medical devices at home if they have no other option
yeah I’m of the mind that we should keep civilization chugging so people don’t have to homebrew penicillin. you do you. but don’t put your IEDs where your IUDs should go.
Lol yeah I doubt IUDs are being talked about much on the war reports. Its been a heck of a week for me, so that’s my excuse for the typo.
communication hinges upon clarity and if you don’t know which words to use, or don’t use them correctly, you can’t blame the receiver for wondering WTF
that its time to fuck up some bullies, and then after that those bullies parents shoot lawyers in every direction
Frankly in such a situation not such instructions, and not even Billy’s parents should be held primarily responsible, but bullies’ parents.
Would reduce the amount of such cases quite a lot, not even talking about more healthy childhood for every human useful for civilization (bullies usually grow into pretty average types).
Frankly in such a situation not such instructions, and not even Billy’s parents should be held primarily responsible, but bullies’ parents.
so if someone murdered you, by your logic they should get off if they say you were bullying them, thereby transferring the blame to your parents?
Y’all need to stop huffing gasoline.
Yes, if you abuse someone morally and then they kill you, it’s their right.
transferring the blame to your parents?
Parents answer for their underage children.
If they say
No, if I did. Which is what they’ll say and what’ll be proven in court of law.
LOLWTF
you’re deranged, you know that, right?
the murderer is the murderer. now, there may be factors involved that drove the person to murder, but they don’t justify the murder. And they certainly don’t get to blame the MURDER VICTIM, or their parents, for murder.
but I can see you’re really fixated on this logic, please, don’t let the people who bully you drive you to murdering someone, even if, apparently, you’ve put A LOT OF THOUGHT into this entire chain of events.
No one’s going to give a fuck who bullied you once you start shooting mate.
No one’s going to give a fuck who bullied you once you start shooting mate.
Once I start shooting I wouldn’t care who thinks what, no?
now, there may be factors involved that drove the person to murder, but they don’t justify the murder. And they certainly don’t get to blame the MURDER VICTIM, or their parents, for murder.
A bully is not a victim and gets what’s coming to them. Same as killing in self-defense.
Anyway, the mechanism I’ve described improves humanity, because bullies want to bully and don’t want to die, whether their victim then goes to jail or not.
A dead person or a person in jail doesn’t poison the society, neither does someone who killed another in self-defense or under mental duress consciously inflicted by that person. A bully who is not dead and not in jail does poison it quite a lot.
A bully is not a victim and gets what’s coming to them. Same as killing in self-defense.
So like, Kyle Rittenhouse, you’re just gonna open up on your perceived bullies and then expect right wing politicians to save you?
This comment doesn’t make any sense. Also would you compare a woman’s self-defense against sexual assault, for example, to Kyle Rittenhouse’s case?
People sitting at home 3D printing guns aren’t happy? Who could have guessed.
I’m guessing most people aren’t happy.
Not just in the gun community but like everyone.
Some of those people might be extra unhappy.
Projection
And?
Your point?
I mean it’s not gun printers that are mad. There are places to congregate for that shit.
then why are all the gun nuts whining in this thread?
lol
They’re mostly not. Guntubers have given a lot of people that didn’t grow up with/around firearms basic knowledge and safety info. It’s a pretty sweet deal.
guntubers?
you mean casuals who don’t know shit and get their knowledge and ‘experience’ from watching youtube?
pretty sweet gravy seals
No. No, that’s not who I was referring to.
If I had replaced guntubers with xxxxx you should’ve known what I was saying just from context. You’re denser than a gravy seal my friend.
sure thing chairborn ranger. you fucking idiots think war is a game and fetishize weapons. get your head out.
I’ll have to add that one to the list. Thanks for that.
You don’t even understand the conversation, apparently. I don’t know why I expect more of people here, but hey - nothing to be done about it.
A gun is a technological marvel of a thing. Scientifically they are really very interesting. How they work is kind of ingenious, and their history and how they have so drastically changed the course of all history is fascinating.
I don’t want to say that these people probably are all in that boat. But being a gun nut who wants to shoot someone isn’t the only reason to find something interesting. I feel the same way about fireworks and nuclear bombs. Looking at the work that had to be done by so many people in order to make a nuclear bomb and calculate what it would and could do? That’s as cool and intriguing as a space shuttle or an oil rig drill.
3D printing is also really cool in and of itself.
3D printed guns are being used by fighters in Myanmar.
https://3dprint.com/302100/myanmar-rebels-rely-on-3d-printed-guns-to-fight-military-junta/amp/
They’re pretty important if you want to be anti-authoritarian.
How is this relevant? They will still be able to watch YouTube videos about the topic like before, it’s just age restrictions for under 18
It limits the accessibility of the information, meaning that both terrorists and freedom fighters will be less likely to find it. YouTube suppresses age restricted material, whether they claim to or not.
I mean still not really, don’t think it’s going to do that much
I think the people who get up in arms over 3d printed guns forget that most people will never develop the skills or even have the prerequisite skills to make one anyways. It isn’t like you just plug in the printer, down load a file, and you have a gun. You need to learn alot of other things to actually make something functional. Things like ECM (electro chemical machining) is often necessary and a whole host of other skills.
Also pretty important if you want to supply white supremacist gangs in the US.
What? Don’t they just go to Walmart?
Walmart is too woke! Chick-Fil-A does it best! /s
Lol. No. They’re already set. Worry about the large number of minorities that have lost their 2A rights to an unjust legal system.
But they already have all the guns?
White supremacist gangs are generally privileged enough to afford regular guns. Crackdowns on gun possession have overwhelmingly targeted and been selectively enforced against black and other non-white communities and left wing groups, whereas Kyle Rittenhouse shot three people at a BLM rally then walked right past the cops who didn’t even intercept him, then he was acquitted. The only BLM protestor to shoot someone was basically assassinated by the feds.
There are plenty of problems with guns in the US and I think there are a few regulations around purchasing them that make sense, but this is virtually a non-issue. Printing guns is so time and resource intensive that unless you are arming a militia in a place where the general population has very limited access to guns, it’s not really going to change much.
The one other thing you can do with 3d printing is make full-auto guns and modifications, and those are scary but not really important. Full auto has limited tactical use in squads in pitched warfare. Semi auto will work for 99% of cases, and if the need for full auto is coming up a lot, you’re probably in a position to use your gun-to-get-a-gun. We’re talking about situations where the law has already broken down, like Myanmar.
Now I can understand why the state would be scared of the tech, but I don’t see it helping white supremacists. They already have all the help they need.
and if everyone were rational professionals this world would be a much better and more predictable place.
Unfortunately, as is OBVIOUS, the world is actually run and full of amateur hour irrational shits who just love things like 3d printed auto mods so they can spray a full mag in one dump, they don’t care who’s behind their target.
And these dumbfucks are enabling them.
And the idiots who shout “but that’s censorship!” don’t understand how censorship works, don’t understand that youtube is a private corporation that’s allowed to define it’s own rules.
Okay, some gun owners are irresponsible.
If they want to use a giggle switch and they’re irresponsible with it and someone gets hurt, that sucks, but it doesn’t have much to do with the threat of white supremacist terrorism that the other person was talking about.
If you’re irresponsible and you’re shooting without knowing your target and what’s beyond it, you’re already in breach of a law called reckless endangerment. You might be able to do a bit more damage that way, but ultimately you can empty a 30 rounder or even 3x10 rounders pretty fast with semi-automatic too. Adding another law on top to restrict the type of weapon doesn’t really make anyone much safer.
Plus if you’re really that concerned, just look up the Yankee Boogle. It is a tiny, easily 3d printable piece of plastic that you can drop into the action of an AR15 and make it full auto illegally in seconds. Run into cops? Chuck it in the bushes and make another tomorrow.
Resticted mag sizes? Mags aren’t that hard to make out of sheet metal from a hardware store, and changing mags doesn’t take that long. None of this stuff really makes people much safer if they’re left inside with the shooter for hours whilst the cops cower behind their cars and stop parents from trying to save their kids.
Trying to make people unaware of this doesn’t actually make anyone safer. You can cry about the rights of a multinational corporation to control speech on a platform that should be a public commons, it doesn’t change what is effective, and we’ve all learned from decades of internet history at this point that trying to stamp stuff like this out just doesn’t work. It’s always going to be there.
Also, youtube isn’t going to maintain its monopoly forever. It’s enshittifying and peertube is waiting in the wings to pick up the slack. Then it really won’t be up to youtube anymore.
Mags aren’t that hard to make out of sheet metal from a hardware store,
bwahahahahaaaa oh my, yes please, homebrew all your mags so I can hear the misfires from here
Also, youtube isn’t going to maintain its monopoly forever. It’s enshittifying and peertube is waiting in the wings to pick up the slack. Then it really won’t be up to youtube anymore.
Maybe then I’ll have to stop seeing the constant whining… Trying to make people unaware - lol wtf does that even mean? FORGET YOU SAW ME!
No, not spreading the easy steps on their platform is NOT trying to make people unaware, it’s simply a decision not to further propagate illegal bullshit. god though, the linguistic knots you have to tie yourselves into
none of your arguments convince me that youtube should have to carry the shit so we’re back to square one. ___
This is just an incoherent mess, I could try to parse it all out but I really don’t care to. Bye.
Those are called cops, and they’re already pretty well armed.
Many white supremacists ARE anti-authoritarian.
What? Most of them “back the blue” which is about as authoritarian as you can get
In my experience, they tend to side with cops against minorities, but only to that extent. They tend to be the methy, gas-station-robber types who don’t get on well with cops.
So like most Authoritarians then? They’re all for it until their side isn’t in charge anymore.
Not quite. White supremacists also overlap with the whole “rebel” and “rugged individualist” and “prepper” mindsets. Which are fundamentally incompatible with central authority in any way.
I guess you could really split white supremacists into two camps, the authoritarian and anti-authoritarian camps. You’ll find a lot of the latter in prison gangs, and a lot of the former among the police. The two don’t always get along, is my point. They both hate minorities, but they’re otherwise quite different.
They are the cops. Look up just about every far-right protest in the past century and how they’re given a police escort to and from the site. How the cops look the other way when there is right wing started violence and there is grave injury or death. How white supremicist cops that kill face unpaid time off way more than jail time.
These authoritarian right wingers are anti-authority to the point they want to exterminate all authority who keep them from violently suppressing anyone who doesn’t want to oppress others. And they have to intimidate, cheat, lie, appoint other crooked liars because they’ll never win the votes they need from a free electorate. The voting majority thinks they are wrong.
You need to broaden your sources of information.
Oh? Do tell. Great post btw. What’s next? A damning Do YoUr OwN ReSeArCh?
No, they arent. Theyre unhappy with the current authorities, but they simp hard for the authorities of the 50s and 60s, especially the southern authorities.
I see you’ve never actually met any white supremacists.
You do realize that “not liking the current government” and being anti authoritarian are two very different things.
I know, and I meant it. Many of these guys are against any sort of authority. They don’t want to be in charge, they want chaos.
It’s 100% authoritarian to believe that “whites” are supreme.
Not in the traditional sense of the word. Say Joe is a white supremacist. He’s white and he’s poor. He believes that all whites are better than all minorities. However, Joe is also not in power, because other white people are in power, and Joe doesn’t like those other white people (though Joe prefers the powerful white people to any minorities). Joe will work with the powerful white people to keep minorities down, but otherwise his goals and believes are different than those of the powerful white people, and he resents them.
Southern prisons are full of people like Joe. Joe has some power in everyday life over minorities, due to the racist society he lives in and supports. But it’s a big stretch to say Joe is in power. Cops, judges, and politicians are in power. Joe steals catalytic converters and sells meth.
adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
being racist has absolutely nothing to do with being authoritarian.
Soon the only content left on Youtube will be AI generated ads for Ponzi schemes.
We can only hope.
Is this why Ian McCollum’s videos are getting altered? Over the years, he’s had many historical deep-dives featuring firearms from the Murphy’s auction house. In recent months, he’s been re-uploading those videos to cover their logo with the word “Morphy’s”. Even though the auctions are long over, I suppose Google counts them as promoting sales.
I remember something from “forgotten weapons” where he I think he talked about having to retroactively blur the auction house because he didn’t work with them anymore or a change in their policy. Not a Google one, I think.
He fucked himself over with some of the auction houses by trying to set up backroom deal to buy a gun outside of the auction. Understandingly they don’t appreciate that sort of thing. Ian has a history of not being a great person, but he’s good at hiding it from the public eye.
After the whole inrangeTV stuff I stopped watching Ian entirely.
Uuuuh what happened there? I respect Karl a lot, did something happen between them?
Have you ever seen Hashinshin and Ian in the same room?
I’m just sayin’
I used to frequent the FOSSCAD IRC ages back as a teen. This started during the post-Liberator panic, there were talks about regulating 3D printers to not allow printing guns, etc. Designed a few things, never actually printed any of it myself, but some others did. Really got me into engineering before I exited the scene, led to actually pursuing an engineering career. Was surprised to see 3D printed gun videos so openly shared, it was pretty underground for ages there.
I used to run the 3D printing community on G+ at around 500k strong, (about 10k weekly active users according to Google’s stats) and I ended up actually pissing off a lot of my European users because of this. My viewpoint on it, was as an engineering exercise – it’s an amazing thing. It’s not advocating for guns, and guns aren’t only used to kill other people. So I stood up for the guys posting about their engineering challenges, and their work making 3D printed parts for a machine with high impact loads and loads of cycling issues.
Unfortunately, it lost me some friends, like Gina Haubage and Tomas Sanladerer – as they disagreed highly; and wanted to ban anyone posting firearms related 3D printing content.
there is probably no point in fighting this sort of thing, but i wish we would engineer something else instead
Projectiles are a part of human nature. We’ve always thrown spears, rocks, etc – firearms are just an extension of our better understanding of the world. I know of barely anything else that uses explosive charges that is as widely applicable to the general public. Roofing nail guns? But that’s such a niche subject, it’s not something people are really worried about trying to make with 3D printing. Believe me, if I had a better engineering challenge for 3D printing, I’d be suggesting it. But nothing quite hits like containing an explosive charge, and utilizing the energy in a way that performs work without destroying itself.
camera gear? experimental musical instruments? i think an idiot could make a list of things that aren’t guns and don’t suck
Things that “don’t suck” are far away from peak exciting.
Did you miss the qualifier “that uses explosive charges”? The engineering challenge is in the explosive part.
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Absolutely, it’s a fabulous engineering challenge, to make it work well on a hobbyist grade 3D printer with ordinary materials. Also a lesson in using the right tool for the right job (some parts are just better off milled or bought OtS)
PSR is an awesome channel and his music slaps. He doesn’t give any instructions or links to files or anything else. He just shows completed examples he built that the community designed. YouTube needs to fuck off with the censorship. The information is all out there. They aren’t protecting anybody.
lol as if they are doing it to protect anybody.
nothing YouTube ever does, or Google for that matter, is to protect anything but their ad revenue.
It might quell the lifestyle image of the phenomenon. If it does, it’s only a few drops in the bucket.
why should they be OBLIGATED to help the gun nuts?
I thought your type all believed in freedom mate, what right do you have to tell a private corporation how to run their fucking business?
you’re just upset they’re blocking your fetish.
They can do whatever they want, sure. What I will say is the moving goalposts for certain “undesirable” content is pretty ridiculous especially if you consider the history of YouTube. Several of the first partner channels and many of the oldest YT channels are gun channels. They were glad to exploit that community to build their platform, but will throw them under the bus at every turn if it can be used to virtue signal or pander to advertising partners.
well then I guess you know everything you need to walk away from youtube lol
but you won’t, you’d prefer to whine about it instead
Google is ruining themselves to suck off advertisers. Hopefully someone can fill the gap of YouTube.
Maybe odysse will rise
PeerTube could use some love.
yes, it’s sucking off advertisers and definitely not wanting to be associated with the fucking illicit arms trade…
god damn gun nuts are such whiny babies
I wish I owned a gun bcz then I would be cool.
funny thing is, there’s nothing wrong with firearms, just the idiots who fetishize them.
Use peertube fools
He’s also on odysee
What’s that
Decentralized Youtube. Imagine lemmy but for Youtube
Haha, private company, you can’t do shit about it.
Lost profits for the gun industry.
Third most popular video on the guy’s channel - a million views. A handgun that can shoot all its bullets in the blink of an eye.
30 years from now if 3D printers are unrestricted, will there be any point to gun control?
Neither the gun nor the switch is 3d printed in that video.
But to answer your question, you can make a firearm from actual trash if you’re sufficiently motivated. Look at the different guns Abe’s assassin made from a couple of years ago, he even made his own ammunition because of it’s lack of availability in Japan. Is the point of gun control as it currently stands to limit access to firearms period or to limit their access to good and more easily available weapons? I would say it is realistically the latter, though crossbows and air rifles are completely legal for people who are barred from owning firearms to obtain and use which sort of invalidates that too.
Also black powder guns or ANY gun made before 1898.
That switch is a federal offense unless you have a Class III SOT and have paid the prerequisite taxes. He explains it at 2:00.
Any competent person with $50 and access to a hardware store can build functional firearms. This didn’t start with 3D printers.
It is 100% legal in the US to build ones own firearms for personal use. Only a few states have put any additional requirements around it.
Building new full auto guns is already illegal without the proper federal licensure. It was already possible for motivated bad actors to ignore this law if they want, even before 3D printing became a moral panic.
There is already zero point to gun control. Can’t stop the signal.
Why 30 years from now?
That seemed random, and it kinda was: uneducated(!) guess on how long it will take the technology to both develop and popularize to the point the average kindergarten massacre* is committed with a 3D printed gun.
@Voyajer@lemmy.world @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Is 30 years long enough for there to be a decent likelihood we’ll be able to print the switch and firearm from that video? Thanks for your responses, I can tell you know your stuff.
* to be clear, being forever upset about Sandy Hook has no bearing on my respect for responsible gun owners, presumably the vast majority
You can already easily manufacture your own firearm with a combination of 3D printers and some metal working tools. Or just buy the barrel pre made and that’s 99% the effort.
You can already print those switches, the stls are already out there.
It’s still illegal to do, of course, without the proper licensing.
OK very interesting. So I figure regulation:
Helps the state punish people IF they get caught
More importantly, makes it harder to advertise & discourages printed parts & guns, leading to lower availability. I imagine most guns used in crimes were Initially purchased legally. I also imagine over time this will shift.
Well yes, but that doesn’t affect people who plan to murder with them of course, the added time for doing it with a “machine gun” specifically is nothing compared to already getting life, the death penalty, shot by cops, or suicide at the end of their spree killing.
Though no, guns are legal to print, the switch is defined as a machine gun by the ATF and that is illegal without the proper licensure. You can print a glock no problem, but you can’t sell it or make it full auto.
Most guns used in crimes were indeed initially purchased legally, but then stolen or sold illegally through a process called “straw purchasing.” The ATF reports avg “time to crime” (from buying in-store until found at a crime scene) of guns they find is 11 years and the overwhelming majority were straw purchased. Now, it’s important to note that this isn’t to say that most guns bought have 11yr before a crime happens, rather that most guns involved in crime (which is a fraction of a percent of all guns sold/owned) took 11yr to get there.
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